Ordained Champion: Holy Warrior and archery

[Corsair]

The Holy Warrior ability allows you to burn a turn attempt to use your wisdom modifier in place of your strength modifier for attack and damage rolls for a limited amount of time. When using a bow, would this still be capped by the +str bonus on the bow?

 

[Nifft]

Post the source, or the full text of the ability.

Cheers, -- N

 

[Quez The Lame]

Holy Warrior (Sp): At 5th level, you can spend one daily use of your turn/rebuke undead ability as a swift actionto king your Wisdom into play in combat. For 5 rounds after you activate this ability, you can use your Wisdom modifier in place of your Strength modifier on attack rolls and damage rolls.

You just replace your STR modifier with your WIS modifier, so the same restrictions apply IMHO.

 

[Nifft]

Longbow, Composite

You need at least two hands to use a bow, regardless of its size. You can use a composite longbow while mounted. All composite bows are made with a particular strength rating (that is, each requires a minimum Strength modifier to use with proficiency). If your Strength bonus is less than the strength rating of the composite bow, you can’t effectively use it, so you take a -2 penalty on attacks with it. The default composite longbow requires a Strength modifier of +0 or higher to use with proficiency. A composite longbow can be made with a high strength rating to take advantage of an above-average Strength score; this feature allows you to add your Strength bonus to damage, up to the maximum bonus indicated for the bow.

(emphasis mine)

RAW, the ability only gives you Wis to damage, not Wis to proficiency (or any other Str-based rolls or abilities). It would be justifiable to impose the usual -2 to attacks for low Str (due to first underlined part), while giving you Wis to damage (because of the second underlined part).

Cheers, -- N

 

[Folly]

With this type of build you might want to consider the Zen Archery feat (wisdom to hit) and also a specific magic weapon out of the MIC. Its a bow that does not have a cap on its str bonus.(the name has something to do with moon) I think this would circumvent both the cap and the -2, since it considered both 0 and your wis mod. I am not certain as I do not have the sources in front of me, but it might work.

 

[Corsair]

Ordained Champion is from Complete Champion. That essentially is the full text of the ability (at least the portion of it that matters).

Also, assume that the archer in question is proficient with his bow already. It is a +2 str bow, and he has 14 strength. Using this ability, should the str limit on the bow affect the wis bonus damage?

 

[Nifft]

Also, assume that the archer in question is proficient with his bow already.

I use the word "proficiently" because that's what's in the rules. Note that the penalty for having a strength too low is -2, while regular non-proficiency would get you a -4.

It is a +2 str bow, and he has 14 strength. Using this ability, should the str limit on the bow affect the wis bonus damage?

Assuming his Wisdom is at least 14, he'd get no penalty or benefit from using the feat with the bow. His Wisdom bonus would replace his Strength bonus, but Strength damage is capped by the bow's strength rating.

Cheers, -- N