Odin, Thor, and Loki are Babylonian deities!!

[Turanil]

I was googling around, searching info about the ancient Viking priests, when i found this article.

Really interesting!! and WEIRD!

It says that you can root back the Norse mythology back to biblical-babylonian sources...

The Old Testament Source of Norse Mythology

I already did read somewhere something similar about the Celts of Irelands... But now the Norse too!

 

[Enkhidu]

I was googling around, searching info about the ancient Viking priests, when i found this article.

Really interesting!! and WEIRD!

It says that you can root back the Norse mythology back to biblical-babylonian sources...

The Old Testament Source of Norse Mythology

I already did read somewhere something similar about the Celts of Irelands... But now the Norse too!

I'd like to touch on this more deeply than saying that the Norse Pantheon meshes with Semitic myth only through intermediary cousin mythologies, but I'm afraid it would break the no religion rules if I did.

 

[John Q. Mayhem]

I believe it mentions that in the article, too. It's an interesting idea, for sure.

 

[The_Universe]

I'd like to touch on this more deeply than saying that the Norse Pantheon meshes with Semitic myth only through intermediary cousin mythologies, but I'm afraid it would break the no religion rules if I did.

Interesting stuff - sounds like background for a Cthulhu game or something?

As far as real life discussion goes, there was some discussion that the Irish Celtic goddess Morrigan (on a similar tack to the article the original poster linked to) was analagous (and spawned from) the Hindu Kali-Ma. The Irish Celt Morrigan is thought to have eventually been anglicized into the Athurian Morganna le Fey, which, in short, means that Morganna le Fey's mythological roots are Indian.

It was interesting stuff as a discussion of the evolution of religion and myth (and no, I'm not saying that religion(s) are myths). However, the article this thread links to takes a somewhat dangerous (and scholarly dangerous) position as it insists that parallel ideas cannot evolve in disparate cultures, and that all myths must have been based on real people - none of which are necessarily true.

NONETHELESS, it's interesting, and he really can't be proven *wrong.* Of course, he can't be proven right, either, and the evidence in favor of his idea is hardly as conclusive as we might think.

But it was a fun read. Thanks for the link.

 

[Desdichado]

Well, keep in mind, that's only one article on a website devoted to the idea that all of the European peoples are to be equated with the lost tribes of Israel.

I also won't say much about that except that, while it's certainly neither impossible nor unbelievable, nothing that our archeologists, anthropoligists, linguists or any other scientific discipline has ever uncovered has really supported that idea. Despite that, it's been around for centuries.

 

[Desdichado]

Interesting stuff - sounds like background for a Cthulhu game or something?

Huh? Why? What's Lovecraftian or horror about anything there?

As far as real life discussion goes, there was some discussion that the Irish Celtic goddess Morrigan (on a similar tack to the article the original poster linked to) was analagous (and spawned from) the Hindu Kali-Ma. The Irish Celt Morrigan is thought to have eventually been anglicized into the Athurian Morganna le Fey, which, in short, means that Morganna le Fey's mythological roots are Indian.

Whomever made that argument had to have been shockingly and embarrasingly ignorant for someone who passes themselves off as a scholar of that stripe. Even some extremely casual research will show that both the Indians and the Celts spread southest and west respectively from the earlier Proto-Indo-European population of the Pontic-Caspian steppes of the Eneolithic and earliest Bronze Age. You'd expect some correspondences, but they'd be shared inheritance. Supposing that an Indian goddess migrated almost all the way across Eurasia when you can instead trace both back to a shared earlier culture is absurd.

 

[fusangite]

Indeed. Indo-European studies is becoming a more and more important academic field as we discover that the original Indo-European culture didn't just produce linguistic cognates but mythic ones as well.

 

[The_Universe]

Huh? Why? What's Lovecraftian or horror about anything there?

Single-source mythologies originating in the general region of Babylon? The names of Gods being mere aliases for other "truer" beings?

It's not like the article came out and said, "Oh, and Odin was a Squamous Tentacle Beast," or something, but it shares a certain perspective with the background of the Cthulhu mythos. That's all I meant.

Whomever made that argument had to have been shockingly and embarrasingly ignorant for someone who passes themselves off as a scholar of that stripe. Even some extremely casual research will show that both the Indians and the Celts spread southest and west respectively from the earlier Proto-Indo-European population of the Pontic-Caspian steppes of the Eneolithic and earliest Bronze Age. You'd expect some correspondences, but they'd be shared inheritance. Supposing that an Indian goddess migrated almost all the way across Eurasia when you can instead trace both back to a shared earlier culture is absurd.

I didn't say it was a *good* argument, just a *similar* argument to the one the article that Turanil so kindly linked us to made.

The "scholar" had said something along the lines of, "Well, their names are kind of similar, and they have vaguely similar portfolios of worship - so they must be the SAME THING!"

 

[Desdichado]

Single-source mythologies originating in the general region of Babylon? The names of Gods being mere aliases for other "truer" beings?

It's not like the article came out and said, "Oh, and Odin was a Squamous Tentacle Beast," or something, but it shares a certain perspective with the background of the Cthulhu mythos. That's all I meant.

Oooh, that hadn't even occurred to me. Cool idea.

 

[The_Universe]

Oooh, that hadn't even occurred to me. Cool idea.

Glad to be of service!