Most powerful undead?

Gorilla726

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Hi. I'm working on a project of designing a kingdom/land mass in which almost everything (95%) is undead. But I'm having trouble deciding what sort of undead the "King" should be. What do you think is the most powerful, feared, and self-reliant undead type? Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!

Gorilla
 

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Either or Lich or a Death Knight, I'd imagine. The former if you want lots of magic, the latter if you want him to be able to hit people really hard.
 

The hunefer is not the most powerful undead but if you gave it a few class levels or even advance it a good few HD, it could make up for it and it would be fun to DM over the time of a campaign. You can find them in the Epic Level Handbook pg 198, the great thing is the PCs could believe they are up against something els for a very long time. Oh, it is a CR 25 before doing anything with it.
 
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Partially more powerful than a lich might be a vampire... they are easier to destroy though. Sometimes. Depends how easy the DM makes it to find phylacteries.
 

If you aren't dismissing Epic monsters an Atropal would be a good choice. Thats an aborted god that rose in undeath. Very 'cool' if you ask me. Atropal would also have some legimate claim to being a king (due to being a child of a god), versus some lich that has inevitably began his career as a mortal.
 

I'd probably use an advanced lich or demi-lich, though vampires can be cool as rulers of a realm, but vamps tend to want a lot of mortals around for blood, so if 95% of the population is undead there couldn't be too many vampires around.
 

I'm planning an upcoming campaign were the pair of rulers (King and Queen) are a mated pair of undead dragons - a Dracolich and a Vampiric Dragon... in this case they spend most of their time polymorphed into human(oid) shape and playing the parts of kind and queen with none of their subjects being any the wiser... yet...
 

I also vote for the Lich. In my opinion it's still the best because it's generic enough so that you can make anything out of it (especiall since it doesn't have to be human), and it has the added flavor of someone who actually wanted to become undead and succeeded.

A Death Knight is ok, but usually it gives me the feeling of being a pawn rather than the mind behind a horde, and as such I tend to use them (or similar warrior undead) as the ones who lead the army while the true "boss" stays in the fortress.

A Vampire IMHO has the disadvantage of being too much defined. As pointed out already, what vampires do is hunting mortals for blood, which may railroad the story too much. Vampires need mortals, so if you have a realm totally made of undead, that's the last place a Vampire would like to live :p unless they keep mortal cattle... Because of this, they are fantastic villains in adventures of intrigue, hunting and stealth, but I don't picture them very well as a king of an undead realm.

Other very powerful undead which are very supernatural (the Atropal, the Deathbringer, or an undead fiend/deity) they could be definitely fearful, but IMO they would do better as something otherwordly which is worshipped by the kingdom including the king - its first servitor. Eventually it may be the true overmind, but perhaps without physical access to the mortal world until some great scheme is accomplished, and here enters the king's job. Well, this is quite a typical idea after all, even Warcraft is similar... :)
 

A Pseudonatural Half-Fiend Paragon Gelatinuous Cube Lich Wizard? :p

But for a more serious reply, the Lich is a good choice from the standard selection of monsters. I'm not very familiar with the weirder ones out there, but I'm sure there are plenty options available.

Bye
Thanee
 
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