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<blockquote data-quote="Yaarel" data-source="post: 8704277" data-attributes="member: 58172"><p>In my setting:</p><p></p><p>The "deep ether" lacks any overlap with the material plane. These are distant spirit worlds, with "domains" here and there that the powerful minds of one or more spirits influence and control.</p><p></p><p>The "border ether" (what I typically refer to as the "shallow ether") is the ether that overlaps the material plane. Creatures in the border ethereal plane can see and variously interact with creatures in the material plane. Viceversa, creatures in the material plane can, by various means, see and interact with the creatures in the ethereal plane. Sometimes, humans refer to people who can see the ether as having "second sight" or "spiritual sensitivity", or so on.</p><p></p><p>What is the "shallow ether"? First, what is "ether"?</p><p></p><p>"Ether" is the "quintessence", literally, "the fifth element". To distinguish between the modern concept of an element, and the classical concept of it, I refer to the classical elements as "elementals". Ether, plus the four elementals of earth, water, air, and fire, together comprise the five elementals that all physical things are made out of. There is a reallife medieval tradition (at least as early as roughly 1100) that matches modern physics, that equates each elemental with a state of matter, that it calls a "form". The elemental forms are: solid-earth, liquid-water, gaseous-air, and plasmic-fire. The tradition calls this plasma "heavenly fire" or "the fire that burns fire", and it is not the same thing as ordinary fire. The heavenly fire is the fire of the sun, stars, and lightning. Today scientists refer to the sun as having a special state of matter called "plasma". It like air and lightning simultaneously. The electrons and the protons of an atom separate from each other, forming something like a gas that has electromagnetic properties. The medieval tradition correctly identifies the invisible plasmosphere around the planet, that it calls "the dark fire between the earth and the moon". In sum, the four elementals of matter are solid, liquid, gas, and plasma. In this system, the tradition identifies the fifth elemental ether with "force". Force, such as gravity, is weird because it is physical − it can physically move objects − but it is immaterial. It lacks matter. It has no substance whatsoever. But this ethereal force is what keeps the planets in orbit. All the other elementals are ultimately made out of ether. Indeed, according modern physics, atoms are ultimately made out of fundamental forces.</p><p></p><p>Ether = Force</p><p></p><p>In my setting. Magical telekinesis emanates and manipulates ether to push things around by means of its force. The stuff that force constructs are made out of is ether. The stuff that "conjurations" are made out of is ether. Conjurations have physical force but lack actual matter. The virtual body that a ghost has is made out of ether. If the will of the ghost is strong enough, the force of its ghost body can even push around material objects as a poltergeist or even "manifest" visually into the material plane. All "spirits" are made out of ether. The ethereal plane is the spirit world. Note, the ki is the aura of force around a living body of matter. This ki is also made out of ether, and has force.</p><p></p><p>So the "shallow ether" is part of the actual material plane itself, except that it is only the immaterial part of the material plane. Namely, the shallow is the gravity, the telekinesis, the ki of living bodies, even the subtle nuclear forces of the four elementals, giving subtle outlines of the shapes of the things made out of matter. Ethereal creatures can perceive − "see" − gravity. It appears as the mistiness of the ethereal plane. They can also see objects of matter albeit its colors appear more misty and diffuse, like pastels. Ethereal creatures can vividly see the auras around living people, appearing gently luminous. And so on. The creatures in the shallow ether are actually part of the material plane, and can navigate and interact with the material objects of the material plane normally. However, the spiritual virtual bodies of ethereal creatures is weak and faint, typically. So their influence tends to be light and subtle. Most ethereal creatures lack enough force to even make a candle flicker. But there are ethereal creatures that can "manifest" great force and can influence and push matter powerfully.</p><p></p><p>Fey and Shadow</p><p></p><p>The ether is a spectrum of energies coexisting simultaneously, ranging from high energy positivity to low energy negativity. The "positive ether" is the same thing as the feywild. The "negative ether" is the same thing as the shadowfell. They actually exist simultaneously as part of the same ether, but because they are at different frequencies, they are unable to perceive or interact with each other. However some fey spirits and some shadow spirits can deenergize or energize, respectively, enough to become part of the spectral range that is more mixed: namely the ethereal plane proper. In the ethereal plane, fey and shadow can − and do − engage each other.</p><p></p><p>Because the fey and shadow are aspects of the ether, their respective planes are overlapping the material plane as well. There is a shallow shadowfell that can perceive and by various means interact with the material plane. The negativity skews the perception of the material plane, sensorially and psychologically. So from within the shallow shadow plane, the material world appears gloomy and decaying. There is also a deep shadowfell that lacks any connection to the material plane, a realm of misty oblivion and "domains" of dread here and there. Oppositely, from the within the fey plane, positivity skews the perception of the material world, making it appear sharply, brilliantly, vividly colorful, and teaming with life and wonder. There is also a deep fey, where one flies thru vibrant energies, with "domains" of delight here and there.</p><p></p><p>Again, I tend to use the term "shallow", opposite "deep". The shallow feywild is the same thing as the border feywild. The shallow shadowfell is the same thing as the border shadowfell. These shallow parts of the planes are actually forces that are part of the material plane, albeit subtle.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>In my view, the shallow-border feywild is actually in the material plane itself, albeit positivity distorts the perception of its matter.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Likewise, the shallow-border shadowfell is part of the material plane itself, but likewise, only the immaterial forces in the material plane.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes. Albeit, I see "gray" as really a shifting dynamic mix of units of white and units of black, that are intermingling. The resulting frequencies seem, grayish. But really there is only black and white.</p><p></p><p></p><p>As far as I can tell, both the astral sea and the phlogiston correspond to the vast emptiness between stars. In other words, outer space, the part of space that is beyond a solar system or other stellar system.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Where is the "deep ethereal"? That is a good question. My understanding of it is, it has nothing to do with the material plane at all, neither its matter, nor its empty space, nor its gravitational force. I speculate that the "deep ethereal" is more like the part of the ether that borders the astral plane of pure thought.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I think that the shallow-border ethereal where it leaves the gravitational orbit of the sun, and enters into outer space, becomes the bleak phlogiston, where the gravitational force is negligible but not zero. The phlogiston actually is the gravity itself that exists in outer space. But it is almost nothing.</p><p></p><p>Likewise, the feywild and the shadowfell diminish into bleak phlogiston. In the phlogiston, there is no real difference between fey and shadow, and ether. It is all effectively empty vacuum.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I think the "deep" − deep fey, deep ether, deep shadow − is actually bordering the astral plane − and is a realm of thoughts becoming physical forces. Perhaps one encounters angels and fiends in the deep ether on their way to physically manifest in the material plane.</p><p></p><p></p><p>5e? As far as I know, 5e doesnt officially mention "phlogiston". Neither does the 4e world axis cosmology mention it.</p><p></p><p></p><p>The outer space (the emptiness between stars) is the same thing as the phlogiston. So there is a fey phlogiston empty vacuum, an ethereal phlogiston empty vacuum, and a shadow phlogiston empty vacuum. All of these phlogiston areas overlap the empty vacuum of outer space in the material plane. The are all different energy frequencies of the same phlogiston. Regardless of the planar frequencies, the phlogiston appears as moreorless the same empty nothingness, with the distant stars visible but unreachable.</p><p></p><p></p><p>: )</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Yaarel, post: 8704277, member: 58172"] In my setting: The "deep ether" lacks any overlap with the material plane. These are distant spirit worlds, with "domains" here and there that the powerful minds of one or more spirits influence and control. The "border ether" (what I typically refer to as the "shallow ether") is the ether that overlaps the material plane. Creatures in the border ethereal plane can see and variously interact with creatures in the material plane. Viceversa, creatures in the material plane can, by various means, see and interact with the creatures in the ethereal plane. Sometimes, humans refer to people who can see the ether as having "second sight" or "spiritual sensitivity", or so on. What is the "shallow ether"? First, what is "ether"? "Ether" is the "quintessence", literally, "the fifth element". To distinguish between the modern concept of an element, and the classical concept of it, I refer to the classical elements as "elementals". Ether, plus the four elementals of earth, water, air, and fire, together comprise the five elementals that all physical things are made out of. There is a reallife medieval tradition (at least as early as roughly 1100) that matches modern physics, that equates each elemental with a state of matter, that it calls a "form". The elemental forms are: solid-earth, liquid-water, gaseous-air, and plasmic-fire. The tradition calls this plasma "heavenly fire" or "the fire that burns fire", and it is not the same thing as ordinary fire. The heavenly fire is the fire of the sun, stars, and lightning. Today scientists refer to the sun as having a special state of matter called "plasma". It like air and lightning simultaneously. The electrons and the protons of an atom separate from each other, forming something like a gas that has electromagnetic properties. The medieval tradition correctly identifies the invisible plasmosphere around the planet, that it calls "the dark fire between the earth and the moon". In sum, the four elementals of matter are solid, liquid, gas, and plasma. In this system, the tradition identifies the fifth elemental ether with "force". Force, such as gravity, is weird because it is physical − it can physically move objects − but it is immaterial. It lacks matter. It has no substance whatsoever. But this ethereal force is what keeps the planets in orbit. All the other elementals are ultimately made out of ether. Indeed, according modern physics, atoms are ultimately made out of fundamental forces. Ether = Force In my setting. Magical telekinesis emanates and manipulates ether to push things around by means of its force. The stuff that force constructs are made out of is ether. The stuff that "conjurations" are made out of is ether. Conjurations have physical force but lack actual matter. The virtual body that a ghost has is made out of ether. If the will of the ghost is strong enough, the force of its ghost body can even push around material objects as a poltergeist or even "manifest" visually into the material plane. All "spirits" are made out of ether. The ethereal plane is the spirit world. Note, the ki is the aura of force around a living body of matter. This ki is also made out of ether, and has force. So the "shallow ether" is part of the actual material plane itself, except that it is only the immaterial part of the material plane. Namely, the shallow is the gravity, the telekinesis, the ki of living bodies, even the subtle nuclear forces of the four elementals, giving subtle outlines of the shapes of the things made out of matter. Ethereal creatures can perceive − "see" − gravity. It appears as the mistiness of the ethereal plane. They can also see objects of matter albeit its colors appear more misty and diffuse, like pastels. Ethereal creatures can vividly see the auras around living people, appearing gently luminous. And so on. The creatures in the shallow ether are actually part of the material plane, and can navigate and interact with the material objects of the material plane normally. However, the spiritual virtual bodies of ethereal creatures is weak and faint, typically. So their influence tends to be light and subtle. Most ethereal creatures lack enough force to even make a candle flicker. But there are ethereal creatures that can "manifest" great force and can influence and push matter powerfully. Fey and Shadow The ether is a spectrum of energies coexisting simultaneously, ranging from high energy positivity to low energy negativity. The "positive ether" is the same thing as the feywild. The "negative ether" is the same thing as the shadowfell. They actually exist simultaneously as part of the same ether, but because they are at different frequencies, they are unable to perceive or interact with each other. However some fey spirits and some shadow spirits can deenergize or energize, respectively, enough to become part of the spectral range that is more mixed: namely the ethereal plane proper. In the ethereal plane, fey and shadow can − and do − engage each other. Because the fey and shadow are aspects of the ether, their respective planes are overlapping the material plane as well. There is a shallow shadowfell that can perceive and by various means interact with the material plane. The negativity skews the perception of the material plane, sensorially and psychologically. So from within the shallow shadow plane, the material world appears gloomy and decaying. There is also a deep shadowfell that lacks any connection to the material plane, a realm of misty oblivion and "domains" of dread here and there. Oppositely, from the within the fey plane, positivity skews the perception of the material world, making it appear sharply, brilliantly, vividly colorful, and teaming with life and wonder. There is also a deep fey, where one flies thru vibrant energies, with "domains" of delight here and there. Again, I tend to use the term "shallow", opposite "deep". The shallow feywild is the same thing as the border feywild. The shallow shadowfell is the same thing as the border shadowfell. These shallow parts of the planes are actually forces that are part of the material plane, albeit subtle. In my view, the shallow-border feywild is actually in the material plane itself, albeit positivity distorts the perception of its matter. Likewise, the shallow-border shadowfell is part of the material plane itself, but likewise, only the immaterial forces in the material plane. Yes. Albeit, I see "gray" as really a shifting dynamic mix of units of white and units of black, that are intermingling. The resulting frequencies seem, grayish. But really there is only black and white. As far as I can tell, both the astral sea and the phlogiston correspond to the vast emptiness between stars. In other words, outer space, the part of space that is beyond a solar system or other stellar system. Where is the "deep ethereal"? That is a good question. My understanding of it is, it has nothing to do with the material plane at all, neither its matter, nor its empty space, nor its gravitational force. I speculate that the "deep ethereal" is more like the part of the ether that borders the astral plane of pure thought. I think that the shallow-border ethereal where it leaves the gravitational orbit of the sun, and enters into outer space, becomes the bleak phlogiston, where the gravitational force is negligible but not zero. The phlogiston actually is the gravity itself that exists in outer space. But it is almost nothing. Likewise, the feywild and the shadowfell diminish into bleak phlogiston. In the phlogiston, there is no real difference between fey and shadow, and ether. It is all effectively empty vacuum. I think the "deep" − deep fey, deep ether, deep shadow − is actually bordering the astral plane − and is a realm of thoughts becoming physical forces. Perhaps one encounters angels and fiends in the deep ether on their way to physically manifest in the material plane. 5e? As far as I know, 5e doesnt officially mention "phlogiston". Neither does the 4e world axis cosmology mention it. The outer space (the emptiness between stars) is the same thing as the phlogiston. So there is a fey phlogiston empty vacuum, an ethereal phlogiston empty vacuum, and a shadow phlogiston empty vacuum. All of these phlogiston areas overlap the empty vacuum of outer space in the material plane. The are all different energy frequencies of the same phlogiston. Regardless of the planar frequencies, the phlogiston appears as moreorless the same empty nothingness, with the distant stars visible but unreachable. : ) [/QUOTE]
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