Pathfinder 1E Is there any good suggestion to replace Gem Dragons for Pathfinder?

[cablop]

Afaik, Gem Dragons are not being updated to Pathfinder (am i wrong or that is because license issues?) but i wanted to create a good NPC for a campaign i am designing and wanted to make a psionic dragon with some monk + psionic prestige class levels (that improve its natural psionic caster lvl)... Now i feel odd with no gem dragons here and i feel that trying to adapt a dragon from 3E into a Pathfinder setting with slightly different psionic rules is a hard task and the result would feel always unpolished.

Is there any suggestion? Or other source for psionic dragons? (they don't have to be gem based/named after all)

 

[Dragon's Lair(Italy)]

A psionic dragon is a really dangerous thing IMHO. Also is not in dragon's nature to act like so(mind powers? Nah i am good as i am ). Maybe you can create something(i don't know of psionic dragon's resources) but i think that if they are like gem it's a good idea

 

[Alzrius]

I recall that in 3.5, Dreamscarred Press's debut book Untapped Potential had ego dragons, which were new psionic dragons, specifically the logos dragon and the pathos dragon. A third one, the ethos dragon, was made into a web enhancement.

I don't think these have been converted to Pathfinder yet, but I'm sure that they will be at some point.

EDIT: Here's the link to the (3.5) article on half-ego dragons.

 

[gamerprinter]

Rite Publishing has #30 Variant Dragons by Eric Morton.

As far as gem dragons go, do we really want dragons that cough lozenges instead of breath weapons? I imagine some do, but lozenge breath never sat right with me...

 

[Herobizkit]

A dragon that breathes a cone of jagged shards instead of ice or fire? Yes, please.

This could help... but I don't know what boosts, if any, monsters get from 3.5 to PF.

http://community.wizards.com/wiki/Dnd:Updating_Gem_Dragons_to_3.5

 

[cablop]

A psionic dragon is a really dangerous thing IMHO. Also is not in dragon's nature to act like so(mind powers? Nah i am good as i am ). Maybe you can create something (i don't know of psionic dragon's resources) but i think that if they are like gem it's a good idea

I was looking for that dragon because i want those innate mind powers instead of the innate arcane powers to add some variety to the setting. My players are old gammers and they know enough tricks and when they don't they are very capable of improvising on the way.

But you made me think about it. Why gem dragons... or at least, why that many?

I recall that in 3.5, Dreamscarred Press's debut book Untapped Potential had ego dragons, which were new psionic dragons, specifically the logos dragon and the pathos dragon. A third one, the ethos dragon, was made into a web enhancement.

I don't think these have been converted to Pathfinder yet, but I'm sure that they will be at some point.

EDIT: Here's the link to the (3.5) article on half-ego dragons.

They look very promising, very, very.

A dragon that breathes a cone of jagged shards instead of ice or fire? Yes, please.

This could help... but I don't know what boosts, if any, monsters get from 3.5 to PF.

http://community.wizards.com/wiki/Dnd:Updating_Gem_Dragons_to_3.5

Hmmm, i started to check the rules to find they're different enough from 3.5E to PF (and for my personal taste i like the PF ones much more, they're so simple).

Mixing all the ideas together and my research, i decided to 1) wait to see what are the ego dragons when they come to PF, and 2) convert this one 3.5E homebrew dragon i found on the net http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Psi_Dragons_(3.5e_Creature). Why that many kinds of psionic dragons? Just one kind is enough.

The unique thing that is breaking my mind in that proposed psi-dragon is it got dexterity increased instead of decreased as it ages... something very unusual on a dragon, even more if you follow PF rules, but pretty interesting, deadly interesting... and explainable, psi-dragons have some psi-metabolism feature...

Once i finish its PF variant i will publish it at some place.

 

[I'm A Banana]

As far as gem dragons go, do we really want dragons that cough lozenges instead of breath weapons? I imagine some do, but lozenge breath never sat right with me...

I always interpreted that as the shape, rather than the substance. IE: I don't think they were breathing cough-drops, I think they were spitting diamond-shaped torpedoes that then exploded.

But you made me think about it. Why gem dragons... or at least, why that many?

I think the main idea was to give that dragon family a "texture" that represented them. Metallic draogns have glistening scales of reflective metals. Gem dragons have semi-transparent, faceted scales of glittering gems. Chromatic dragons have scales of deep pigment, but quite lizard-like in texture.

And there was also the new-agey reference to crystals as "magic stones" and "psychic enhancements" that was all over the society by the '70's.

 

[gamerprinter]

I always interpreted that as the shape, rather than the substance. IE: I don't think they were breathing cough-drops, I think they were spitting diamond-shaped torpedoes that then exploded.

Indeed, that's how I saw it too (as a diamond shaped torpedo that explodes), but it still comes off as a cough drop when trying to picture it happening, more than some scary attack by a dragon. So other than noticing them in 2e Monstrous Manual - we used color/metal only.

We ran a campaign where all dragons are born 'gray' or 'colorless' and overtime develop their own unique personalities and alignments, by adolescence have defined a specific alignment and thus start to change color to match. A single dragon litter could spawn a red, gold and potentially a gem dragon all from the same litter, no matter what type of dragon the mother is. Alignment determining dragon type seemed to make sense in that game.

 

[ggeilman]

A dragon that breathes a cone of jagged shards instead of ice or fire? Yes, please.

This could help... but I don't know what boosts, if any, monsters get from 3.5 to PF.

http://community.wizards.com/wiki/Dnd:Updating_Gem_Dragons_to_3.5

Dragons don't get a boost from 3.5 to Pathfinder, rather they are nerfed. Take a look at the adult red, he looses 5 HD and 80+ HP.

 

[knottyprof]

Dreamscarred Press is working on ideas for their new Bestiary and I suggested Gem Dragons and was nixxed due to copyright or trademark issues.

Just going through the Tome of Horrors Complete (Pathfinder edition) and there is the Psiwyrm, a neutral evil psionic dragon. It doesn't list the source for the psionic abilities (3.5 rules or Dreamscarred Press Pathfinder version) so that may need some investigation to see if the Dreamscarred Psionics books include the powers and feats listed. Not a gem dragon, but it is a psionic based one (CR 12).