IOUN stones

[tleilaxu]

Please add your own varieties of IOUN stones to the following list:

also, do the shape and color of IOUN stones have any special meaning?

(3e dmg pg.220)
Color - Shape - Effect - Price
A.
Dull Gray - Any - 1PP - 25
Dusty Rose - Prism - +1 deflection AC - 4000
Clear - Spindle - No food or water - 5000
Pale Blue - Rhomboid - +2 str - 8000
Scarlet and blue - Sphere - +2 int - 8000
Incandescent blue - Sphere - +2 wis - 8000
Deep red - Sphere - +2 dex - 8000
Pink - Rhomboid - +2 con - 8000
Pink and Green - Sphere - +2 chr - 8000
Dark blue - Rhomboid - Alertness - 8000
Vibrant Purple - Prism - Stores 6 spell levels - 12000
Iridescent - Spindle - no air - 15000
Pale Green - Prism - +1 competence to attacks, saves, checks - 20000
Pearly White - Spindle - Regenerate 1 damage/hour - 20000
Pale Lavender - Ellipsoid - Absorption up to 4th level (20 levels) - 20000
Lavender and green - Ellipsoid Absorption up to 8th level (50 levels) - 40000

Please critique these creations and give your estimate as to the gp value:
B.

Varies - Sphere - Provides Spell Focus (as the feat) for one school of magic - 8000

Varies - Sphere - Provides Greater Spell Focus for one school of magic - 8000

Glowing Scarlet and Blue - Sphere - +6 int - 72000

Clear - Prism - displacement 20% - 50000

Clear - Prism - displacement 50% - 100000

Lavender - Ellipsoid - SR 21 - 180000

 

[thatdarncat]

Varies - Sphere - Provides Spell Focus (as the feat) for one school of magic - 8000

Varies - Sphere - Provides Greater Spell Focus for one school of magic - 8000

MIght want to check those prices there

 

[tleilaxu]

Name - Color - Shape - Effect - Price

Here is another one:

IOUN stone of elemental protection : Prismatic : Spindle : Endure Elements (all) 5 : ???


Here are a few from PC's Defenders story hour, suggestions for the missing details?:

n : Pink : n: +3 Con : n

IOUN stone of persuasion : n : n : +2 bluff, intimidate, diplomacy, +2 chr for personal interaction : n

n : n : n : darkvision : n

n : n : n : endure elements (fire) 5 : n

n : bright rose : prism : + 2 deflection AC : n

IOUN stone of protection from poison : n : n : +4 saves vs poison : n

 

[tleilaxu]

MIght want to check those prices there

well, thats the kind of feedback i'm looking for. in the 3e DMG the alertness IOUN stone costs 8000. That makes me think IOUN stone that provides feat = 8000. Otherwise, how can you judge between feats how much they should cost to make?

 

[thatdarncat]

well, Alertness is a feat anyone can take. It provides a +2 bonus to two skills.

Spellfocus provides a +1 bonus to the DC for saves from one school of spells.

I'd say those are about even.

Greater Spellfocus should have a higher cost, since you don't have to have the prerequisits you would need to have to take the feat. You might want to see if you can find any similar items in the DMG or Magic of Faerun

 

[Geoff Watson]

well, thats the kind of feedback i'm looking for. in the 3e DMG the alertness IOUN stone costs 8000. That makes me think IOUN stone that provides feat = 8000. Otherwise, how can you judge between feats how much they should cost to make?

Spell Focus gives +1.

Greater Spell Focus gives +2.

Don't you think the second one should cost more?

I'd price it at 32000gp, as usually +2 items cost four times as much as +1 items.

Geoff.

 

[Scion]

Since spell focus at +1 is only worth a fraction of a feat to begin with (ie it sucks even more than toughness at +3 hp, and that is hard to do!) I would just say this:

Spell focus: 2k
Greater spell focus: 8k

if you require the user to have spell focus to use the greater one then they are both 2k.

Since alertness will be useful at least 8x as much there should be a considerable drop in price.

 

[Hardhead]

Please add your own varieties of IOUN stones to the following list:

also, do the shape and color of IOUN stones have any special meaning?

(3e dmg pg.220)
Color - Shape - Effect - Price
A.
Dull Gray - Any - 1PP - 25
Dusty Rose - Prism - +1 deflection AC - 4000
Clear - Spindle - No food or water - 5000
Pale Blue - Rhomboid - +2 str - 8000
Scarlet and blue - Sphere - +2 int - 8000
Incandescent blue - Sphere - +2 wis - 8000
Deep red - Sphere - +2 dex - 8000
Pink - Rhomboid - +2 con - 8000
Pink and Green - Sphere - +2 chr - 8000
Dark blue - Rhomboid - Alertness - 8000
Vibrant Purple - Prism - Stores 6 spell levels - 12000
Iridescent - Spindle - no air - 15000
Pale Green - Prism - +1 competence to attacks, saves, checks - 20000
Pearly White - Spindle - Regenerate 1 damage/hour - 20000
Pale Lavender - Ellipsoid - Absorption up to 4th level (20 levels) - 20000
Lavender and green - Ellipsoid Absorption up to 8th level (50 levels) - 40000

Please critique these creations and give your estimate as to the gp value:
B.

Varies - Sphere - Provides Spell Focus (as the feat) for one school of magic - 8000

Varies - Sphere - Provides Greater Spell Focus for one school of magic - 8000

Glowing Scarlet and Blue - Sphere - +6 int - 72000

Clear - Prism - displacement 20% - 50000

Clear - Prism - displacement 50% - 100000

Lavender - Ellipsoid - SR 21 - 180000

All the prices look right (double of a slot-using item) except for the SF and GSF stones. Alterness costs 10k, which is in line for a feat-reproducing item that doesn't take a slot.

According to the guidelines in the SRD and DMG, I'd place the SF one at 10k, and the GSF one at 20k (since it's replacing two feats). And yeah, those feats were nerfed in 3.5, but they're still real good (just not no-brainers anymore). Even if you think they suck compared to other feats, it would still only mandate a small cost reduction.

So I'd place them at 10k and 20k.

If you *really* think they bite, I wouldn't reduce the cost below 3/4 (to 8k and 16k). They still reproduce feats and don't take item slots.

 

[Scion]

Assuming a feat is worth 10k, any feat.

Toughness is +3 hp, 10k.

+2 to con nonslotted enhancement is 8k.

I dont think anyone will disagree that the +2 con item is way way better. Most of the time it gives more hp, plus it effects a save and at least one skill. Along with making it slightly harder to die from certain poisons.

Doesnt matter much, just a comparison. Not all feats are worth the same amount, some feats are better and so would be worth more. Others are definately not as good and as such should not cost as much.

 

[Hardhead]

Assuming a feat is worth 10k, any feat.

Toughness is +3 hp, 10k.

+2 to con nonslotted enhancement is 8k.

I dont think anyone will disagree that the +2 con item is way way better. Most of the time it gives more hp, plus it effects a save and at least one skill. Along with making it slightly harder to die from certain poisons.

Doesnt matter much, just a comparison. Not all feats are worth the same amount, some feats are better and so would be worth more. Others are definately not as good and as such should not cost as much.

Yeah, but Toughness is the bottom of the barrel. SF and GSF aren't the best feats in the game for casters anymore, but they're still decent.