How to Awaken a Magical Beast
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Infiniti2000
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The only way to awaken a magical beast is to turn it into an animal or tree because the spell doesn't function on anything else. However, you could just give the magical beast a headband of intelligence (or something similar that your DM will allow the creature to wear).
The Celestial template is an inherited template and thus cannot be acquired later on. The creature is born with it.
The Celestial template is an inherited template and thus cannot be acquired later on. The creature is born with it.
Thurbane
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That sounds very...final. I know for a fact there are feats that allow the Celestial template to be added to special mounts and familiars as an acquired template.
If I was desperate, I'm sure a Wish could be made to Awaken a magical beast...not to mention researching a more powerful version of Awaken.
BTW, I am the DM, I'm just trying to think of a way within RAW without having to wave my DM caveat about.
If I was desperate, I'm sure a Wish could be made to Awaken a magical beast...not to mention researching a more powerful version of Awaken.
BTW, I am the DM, I'm just trying to think of a way within RAW without having to wave my DM caveat about.
Infiniti2000
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Any time the celestial template is applied, it is applied as an inherited template without exception. It's in the definition of the template. Whatever you are thinking of undoubtedly still treats it as an inherited template, i.e. you summon the creature with that template already applied. You do not call an animal companion, do something with it, and then somehow apply the template. If I'm wrong about this, please point out the feat or whatever that explicitly overrides the inheritance attribute. That's a very big difference, however, so I'm confident that the feat is not worded that way.
It would be really bizarre to allow awaken as written on a magical beast (it would be nonsensical). I would instead research another, similar, 5th level spell called awaken magical beast that works only on magical beasts of Int 1 or Int 2, but doesn't change their type, etc. This spell would probably be sor/wiz, though, not druidical.
It would be really bizarre to allow awaken as written on a magical beast (it would be nonsensical). I would instead research another, similar, 5th level spell called awaken magical beast that works only on magical beasts of Int 1 or Int 2, but doesn't change their type, etc. This spell would probably be sor/wiz, though, not druidical.
Thurbane
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Celestial Mount [Exalted]: Your Special Mount gains the Celestial template.
It makes no mention of your mount having been celestial all along, nor of your mount changing to a different individual.
...I'm not trying to be contrary, just looking for options.
As for your other suggestion, sounds like a good start.
It makes no mention of your mount having been celestial all along, nor of your mount changing to a different individual.
...I'm not trying to be contrary, just looking for options.
As for your other suggestion, sounds like a good start.
werk
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A magical beast is basically awakened already. That's why it's a magical beast instead of an animal. It has higher intelligence and speaks languages, etc, etc.
You should just ask a good way to increase the mental stats for your magical beast.
I'm with I2k...doesn't make sense as requested.
You should just ask a good way to increase the mental stats for your magical beast.
I'm with I2k...doesn't make sense as requested.
I think it would help us help you if you were to explain exactly what you are trying to acomplish.
That being said, by RAW the only way to awaken a magical beast is to create a spell that is similar to awaken in effect but allows for target to be a magical beast (unless you believe in polymorph, which I ignore since I hate it).
That being said, by RAW the only way to awaken a magical beast is to create a spell that is similar to awaken in effect but allows for target to be a magical beast (unless you believe in polymorph, which I ignore since I hate it).
Thurbane
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OK, seems I've been explaining this rather badly.
I was looking to have an awakened, celestial animal in my campaign, as an NPC. I looked at the monster of Legend template from MMII, dut it dodn't boost mental stats enough.
I want to get an animal decent metal stats, especially WIS and CHA, without radically altering it's appearance - so no 1/2 Dragon templates or the like.
...maybe if a Paladin had the animal as his mount, took the Celestial Mount feat, and then either fell or died, the animal could carry on as an independent NPC?
I was looking to have an awakened, celestial animal in my campaign, as an NPC. I looked at the monster of Legend template from MMII, dut it dodn't boost mental stats enough.
I want to get an animal decent metal stats, especially WIS and CHA, without radically altering it's appearance - so no 1/2 Dragon templates or the like.
...maybe if a Paladin had the animal as his mount, took the Celestial Mount feat, and then either fell or died, the animal could carry on as an independent NPC?
Hypersmurf
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Infiniti2000 said:Any time the celestial template is applied, it is applied as an inherited template without exception. It's in the definition of the template. Whatever you are thinking of undoubtedly still treats it as an inherited template, i.e. you summon the creature with that template already applied. You do not call an animal companion, do something with it, and then somehow apply the template. If I'm wrong about this, please point out the feat or whatever that explicitly overrides the inheritance attribute. That's a very big difference, however, so I'm confident that the feat is not worded that way.
There's also the Planar Familiar spell from the Wizards website:
Planar Familiar
Transmutation
Level: Clr 3
Components: V, S, DF, XP
Casting Time: 10 minutes
Range: Touch
Target: Living creature touched
Duration: Instantaneous
Saving Throw: Fortitude negates (harmless)
Spell Resistance: Yes (harmless)
In order to cast this spell, you must have a familiar, special mount, animal companion, or other companion acquired as a class ability. The spell does not function on outsiders or undead. When you cast the spell, the target creature undergoes a transformation into a celestial, fiendish, axiomatic, or anarchic creature, depending on the alignment of your patron deity (or your alignment, if you have no patron deity). If your patron deity is good, the creature becomes celestial. If your patron deity is evil, the creature becomes fiendish. If your patron deity is lawful neutral, the creature becomes axiomatic, and if your patron deity is chaotic neutral, the creature becomes anarchic. The axiomatic and anarchic creature templates are detailed in Manual of the Planes.
If the target creature is your familiar, it gains energy resistance, fast healing, damage reduction, and additional damage for its smite attack as though its Hit Dice were equal to your character level. Otherwise, use its actual Hit Dice to determine these qualities. If the target creature becomes axiomatic, its linked minds ability applies to you (and only to you).
You cannot cast this spell on another character’s companion creature. Most creatures consider the transformation harmless and beneficial, but if the creature resists, a successful Fortitude save negates the spell.
XP Cost: 500 XP.
And, of course, there are templates like Half-Dragon: “Half-dragon” is an inherited template that can be added to any living, corporeal creature (referred to hereafter as the base creature).
Dragon Apotheosis: At 10th level, a dragon disciple takes on the half-dragon template.
There's certainly precedent for inherited templates being applied later on in life.
-Hyp.
