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[FR] Sun Elves as evil or neutral instead of good?
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<blockquote data-quote="Alzrius" data-source="post: 841993" data-attributes="member: 8461"><p>You forgot to take that analogy to its conclusion though. Namely, that when a paladin does that, then the authority figure over the game (the DM) informs the player that his paladin is no longer Good.</p><p></p><p>Now, in RoF, the sun elves are listed as CG, despite what they have done, how they think/act, etc. The authority in this case (WotC), has not made them change alignment, ergo, they have not committed any action that needs to have them, as a whole, change alignment. That's the bottom line, that since the book says sun elves are CG, they're CG. You can change that if you want to for your campaign though.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And that's all well and good for your character. For those NPC's, the DM of those products (WotC) apparently has decided that they've not done anything outside the alignment of CG.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This is incorrect. Alignment differences by subtype are noted (such as how wood elves, for example, are not CG, something you overlooked). Furthermore, your paradigm would mean that every single other individual in those remaining subtypes of elves would have to then be CG to make sure they balance out the LN sun elves, and we know this isn't the case.</p><p></p><p>Nothing says that sun elves are different by alignment along the racial subtype lines. Furthermore, the product we're working from, RoF, says nothing about that either. While the alignment parameters of "Usually" allow for differences in alignment in various individual elves, a racial subtype having a different alignment as a whole have gotten a mention. Furthermore, the change you are suggesting (LN or LE) is of your own devising, and not noted in the book.</p><p></p><p>Basically, you make good ideas for how you could do things in your campaign Gez, but the book says what the book says, and what it doesn't say isn't there (unless its in another book, which it isn't in this case). Nothing says sun elves are anything but CG as a whole, so they are.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Alzrius, post: 841993, member: 8461"] You forgot to take that analogy to its conclusion though. Namely, that when a paladin does that, then the authority figure over the game (the DM) informs the player that his paladin is no longer Good. Now, in RoF, the sun elves are listed as CG, despite what they have done, how they think/act, etc. The authority in this case (WotC), has not made them change alignment, ergo, they have not committed any action that needs to have them, as a whole, change alignment. That's the bottom line, that since the book says sun elves are CG, they're CG. You can change that if you want to for your campaign though. And that's all well and good for your character. For those NPC's, the DM of those products (WotC) apparently has decided that they've not done anything outside the alignment of CG. This is incorrect. Alignment differences by subtype are noted (such as how wood elves, for example, are not CG, something you overlooked). Furthermore, your paradigm would mean that every single other individual in those remaining subtypes of elves would have to then be CG to make sure they balance out the LN sun elves, and we know this isn't the case. Nothing says that sun elves are different by alignment along the racial subtype lines. Furthermore, the product we're working from, RoF, says nothing about that either. While the alignment parameters of "Usually" allow for differences in alignment in various individual elves, a racial subtype having a different alignment as a whole have gotten a mention. Furthermore, the change you are suggesting (LN or LE) is of your own devising, and not noted in the book. Basically, you make good ideas for how you could do things in your campaign Gez, but the book says what the book says, and what it doesn't say isn't there (unless its in another book, which it isn't in this case). Nothing says sun elves are anything but CG as a whole, so they are. [/QUOTE]
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