Flying Kick and Lion's Pounce

[hero4hire]

Okay Lion's Pounce allows a Full Attack Action During a Charge.

Say a Monk/Psychic Warrior Flurry Attacked during his Charge.

Would you allow the extra Damage from Flying Kick to apply to all the attacks?

Why? Or Why Not?

 

[Hypersmurf]

Do you mean Psionic Lion's Charge?

"When you charge, you can make a full attack in the same round."

As written, you charge - move up to double your speed and make a single melee attack - and in the same round, you can make a full attack.

Any charge-related effects would only apply to the single attack you make as part of the charge... not to the full attack that you make in the same round as the charge.

-Hyp.

 

[Darklone]

Agreed. Still, I don't like Psionics charge as written... simply a full attack action for free? Pretty cheap, but well, they had to make it somehow different (and not underpowered) compared to Hustle...

For example the Powerful Charge feat in the MiniHB states explicitely that this extra damage to charge attacks only applies to one of the attacks... if you can make several attacks as part of a charge somehow.

Lions Pounce was from CD, right? That wildshapewastefeat. I would treat it similar to the Powerful Charge feat... though it easily might be wrong.

Just imagine someone with Jumping kick, Powerful Charge and Improved Powerful Charge making full attack actions with that pounce ability and extra damage to all attacks... ouch. No thanks.

Edit: Yes, I do think you meant the psionics stuff... but I guess the question applies to most charge+full attack abilities out there.

 

[Plane Sailing]

Agreed. Still, I don't like Psionics charge as written... simply a full attack action for free? Pretty cheap, but well, they had to make it somehow different (and not underpowered) compared to Hustle...

The power Psionic Lions Charge (which is the one you are thinking about here) has an additional benefit under augmentation

For every additional power point you spend, each of your attacks after a charge in the current round gains a circumstance bonus on damage equal to the number of additional points spent.

Pretty cool bonus there!

 

[Scion]

Still, I don't like Psionics charge as written... simply a full attack action for free?

Free? requires a power slot, an action, and pp to use. psychic warriors tend to not have a huge amount of pp anyway Plus, if you arent a psychic warrior then it takes a feat to be able to use (in place of the power slot).

I am guessing you mean that you feel the cost is not high enough for what it does. But then, I see it as a way for the psychic warrior to help make up for the attack he loses out on for being behind in BAB. Mileage may vary of course.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Just imagine someone with Jumping kick, Powerful Charge and Improved Powerful Charge making full attack actions with that pounce ability and extra damage to all attacks... ouch. No thanks.

Except the full attack action is defined as separate from the charge action, so no charge-related effects apply to any attack except the one you make as part of the charge.

The augmentation effect is different - as written, it would apply to AoOs as well, for example.

-Hyp.

 

[Scion]

Except the full attack action is defined as separate from the charge action, so no charge-related effects apply to any attack except the one you make as part of the charge.

This makes it sound like you get the charge attack and then a full round of attacks afterwards.

The actual wording seems a bit wonky as well.

SRD:
Pounce (Ex): When a creature with this special attack makes a charge, it can follow with a full attack—including rake attacks if the creature also has the rake ability.

As this is the lions 'powerful charge ability' it seems appropriate to put up.

So, one attack + full attack. Or is the bonus from charging subsumed and only the penalty is gained? (ie no +2 to attack but still -2 to ac)

 

[Hypersmurf]

This makes it sound like you get the charge attack and then a full round of attacks afterwards.

That's what it says.

-Hyp.

 

[Patryn of Elvenshae]

Huh. I always thought that it meant that, instead of a single melee attack at the end of the charge, you could make all your melee attacks, rather than both of the above.

Huh.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Huh. I always thought that it meant that, instead of a single melee attack at the end of the charge, you could make all your melee attacks, rather than both of the above.

If that's what they intended (and I'm not saying it isn't ), then the wording is appalling.

-Hyp.