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<blockquote data-quote="GrimCo" data-source="post: 9259765" data-attributes="member: 7044462"><p>You are right, characters were ECL 13, but only 3 players, so party was ECL 10-11. Better? Balor is still CR20 monster. I said in previous post somewhere. We started at high level. Both of us playing casters factored in SR at that level so Spell penetration, Greater spell penetration + Prayer beads for my cleric. I don't remember what did wizard player used, it was long time ago. But he did have around +17/8 vs SR. at minimum. </p><p></p><p>Also, balor doesn't have detect alignment. He doesn't know if we are good, evil, neutral. He is powerful sentient being, why wouldn't we negotiate with him? Cause he is evil? We never played CE as CS (chaotic stupid). Nor do we play LG as LS. Morality is relative, depending whose side you look at and history is always written by the winners. "Good" and "evil" characters interact, work together or against each other depending on their personal goals and ambitions. Sometimes good guys will shank you in the back and evil guys will help save your bacon. Not everyone has this play style and it's ok. </p><p></p><p>Bit of luck, bit of optimization, and bit of bad luck on DM's part. We weren't supposed to fight it at all. That was our "quest giver" but i admit, it pissed me off, so i sucker punched the flaming A-hole. With harm. For some pain. </p><p></p><p>Blasphemy is good opener. It has 66% chance to affect somebody (all non evil). Same with Dictum and Holy word. If you have it, just use it. It might take all or at least some enemies. </p><p></p><p>It was fun anecdote from a session long time ago. You know, stuff you fondly remember and retell years after.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="GrimCo, post: 9259765, member: 7044462"] You are right, characters were ECL 13, but only 3 players, so party was ECL 10-11. Better? Balor is still CR20 monster. I said in previous post somewhere. We started at high level. Both of us playing casters factored in SR at that level so Spell penetration, Greater spell penetration + Prayer beads for my cleric. I don't remember what did wizard player used, it was long time ago. But he did have around +17/8 vs SR. at minimum. Also, balor doesn't have detect alignment. He doesn't know if we are good, evil, neutral. He is powerful sentient being, why wouldn't we negotiate with him? Cause he is evil? We never played CE as CS (chaotic stupid). Nor do we play LG as LS. Morality is relative, depending whose side you look at and history is always written by the winners. "Good" and "evil" characters interact, work together or against each other depending on their personal goals and ambitions. Sometimes good guys will shank you in the back and evil guys will help save your bacon. Not everyone has this play style and it's ok. Bit of luck, bit of optimization, and bit of bad luck on DM's part. We weren't supposed to fight it at all. That was our "quest giver" but i admit, it pissed me off, so i sucker punched the flaming A-hole. With harm. For some pain. Blasphemy is good opener. It has 66% chance to affect somebody (all non evil). Same with Dictum and Holy word. If you have it, just use it. It might take all or at least some enemies. It was fun anecdote from a session long time ago. You know, stuff you fondly remember and retell years after. [/QUOTE]
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