D&D 5E Dust Devil oddity

[the Jester]

So I was just looking at some of the spells in the players' companion to Princes of the Apocalypse, and I noticed something rather odd.

Back in 1e, dust devil was a cleric spell.

In 5e, it's available to druids, sorcerers and wizards. Not to clerics.

I get the whole druids-are-more-into-elementals thing, but I just found that interesting.

 

[sleypy]

I think the Elemental Wizard in Al-Qadim had due to the province of Air. The wizard had it in 4e as well. I'm not surprised that clerics lost the spell because elemental magic doesn't seem to fit cleric that well.

Edit: I find it interesting they took it away because how D&D seems to want to give cleric everything and the kitchen sink.

 

[Sunseeker]

I think that makes more sense. I'm not sure why a cleric would be able to summon a dust devil to begin with unless they were of some kind of domain where it was fitting (war/storms?).

 

[Saeviomagy]

Amongst all the 'who can/can't do things' changes, it's a pretty minor one. Unifying most condition removal into greater restoration for instance is horrible, because it forces you to have a cleric, druid or bard in the party unless you want to routinely go back to town to fix conditions.

 

[FormerlyHemlock]

Amongst all the 'who can/can't do things' changes, it's a pretty minor one. Unifying most condition removal into greater restoration for instance is horrible, because it forces you to have a cleric, druid or bard in the party unless you want to routinely go back to town to fix conditions.

Do note that, at least according to Jeremy Crawford, "Until Dispelled" and "Permanent" effects are the same thing, and they can both be dispelled. So Dispel Magic can reverse things like Flesh to Stone, and presumably other magical things like a Rakshasa's claw curse.

Personally I think that's goofy and I won't use that rule (or what would be the point of Remove Curse?), but it is apparently RAI.

 

[Saeviomagy]

Do note that, at least according to Jeremy Crawford, "Until Dispelled" and "Permanent" effects are the same thing, and they can both be dispelled. So Dispel Magic can reverse things like Flesh to Stone, and presumably other magical things like a Rakshasa's claw curse.

Personally I think that's goofy and I won't use that rule (or what would be the point of Remove Curse?), but it is apparently RAI.

Um... wow. That's weird. Was that on twitter or a sage advice?

 

[FormerlyHemlock]

Um... wow. That's weird. Was that on twitter or a sage advice?

Twitter: https://twitter.com/jeremyecrawford/status/642537146541174784[

If the effect of a spell becomes permanent, it can be dispelled, unless its description says otherwise.

@JeremyECrawford So the durations "Until Dispelled" and "Permanent" are functionally equivalent unless we houserule one of them?

@calebrus44 That's correct.

Consider that house rule immediately applied at my table.