Dragonnel, Wyvern, & Dragon Turtle: Wyrmling-Great Wyrm
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Wolf72
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slight hang-up ...
carrying capacity. As far as I know, carrying capacity for a flying creature is light or less (any heavier and the creature cannot fly).
The dragonnel in ToH lists 519 lbs for light load. When I check the 3.5 SRD that is the carry load for a large quadruped ... a huge would be 1038 lbs.
(if you consider the dragonnel a biped creature (more balance/weight on rear legs) then the load would be 692 lbs (or 346 for a large critter).
.... soooo, I'm assuming it's a Huge creature ... then the load should be 1038 lbs, unless I'm missing a rule somewhere (fly critters carry at one size smaller?) I think that's an errata item
***(some changes to dragon type)***
33 skill points: 11 listen, 11 spot, 11 survival
3 feats: alertness, flyby attack, multiattack
carrying capacity. As far as I know, carrying capacity for a flying creature is light or less (any heavier and the creature cannot fly).
The dragonnel in ToH lists 519 lbs for light load. When I check the 3.5 SRD that is the carry load for a large quadruped ... a huge would be 1038 lbs.
(if you consider the dragonnel a biped creature (more balance/weight on rear legs) then the load would be 692 lbs (or 346 for a large critter).
.... soooo, I'm assuming it's a Huge creature ... then the load should be 1038 lbs, unless I'm missing a rule somewhere (fly critters carry at one size smaller?) I think that's an errata item
***(some changes to dragon type)***
33 skill points: 11 listen, 11 spot, 11 survival
3 feats: alertness, flyby attack, multiattack
Wolf72
Explorer
I think this is it...
oh don't even go there!!
... I just realized I bumped the skill points from 33 to 44 because I bumped the int from 4 to 6!!! DUH!
as a dragon with a 4 int the dragonnel would have 12 skill points at 1 HD, then 21 more skill points ... so 33 is right. ... but since I muffed it already, I'll keep it that way.
but since I made it a dragon, I decided to go down in HD and size to get a hatchling.
Hatchling=small (1HD)
very young-Juv=medium(2-4HD)
adults=large(5-7HD)
Old=huge(8HD)
*age category is not same as dragons, it's just a benchmark from hatching to full grown*
skill points are assigned per age category, and are gained as a normal character would ... I used int as the bump stat (2 points from 4HD and 8HD), which gives a whole 1 extra skill point (34 total). Listen (8), Spot (8), Survival (7), Jump (11) (thanks boz!, also since I made it a dragon it will have the crush attack when it reaches huge size ... jump becomes more useful).
also fudged some of the change in size mods, otherwise I'd have a 1 HD hatchling dragon with a 1 str! ... there's a big jump in abilities from Large size to Huge size, I guess there's a pretty painful growth stage.
sooo ... what about carrying capacity, I know/assume:
it's a Huge quadruped (not biped) creature, so the light load is x6 or 1,038 lbs (not 519 listed in ToH).
BOZ said:ahh... search?climb, jump, swim...
oh don't even go there!!
... I just realized I bumped the skill points from 33 to 44 because I bumped the int from 4 to 6!!! DUH!as a dragon with a 4 int the dragonnel would have 12 skill points at 1 HD, then 21 more skill points ... so 33 is right. ... but since I muffed it already, I'll keep it that way.
but since I made it a dragon, I decided to go down in HD and size to get a hatchling.
Hatchling=small (1HD)
very young-Juv=medium(2-4HD)
adults=large(5-7HD)
Old=huge(8HD)
*age category is not same as dragons, it's just a benchmark from hatching to full grown*
skill points are assigned per age category, and are gained as a normal character would ... I used int as the bump stat (2 points from 4HD and 8HD), which gives a whole 1 extra skill point (34 total). Listen (8), Spot (8), Survival (7), Jump (11) (thanks boz!, also since I made it a dragon it will have the crush attack when it reaches huge size ... jump becomes more useful).
also fudged some of the change in size mods, otherwise I'd have a 1 HD hatchling dragon with a 1 str! ... there's a big jump in abilities from Large size to Huge size, I guess there's a pretty painful growth stage.
sooo ... what about carrying capacity, I know/assume:
it's a Huge quadruped (not biped) creature, so the light load is x6 or 1,038 lbs (not 519 listed in ToH).
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Wolf72
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alright ... here are the skill points for the Dragonnel. The points are from 1st HD (x4) up to 8 HD, the last HD is when the Int bumps up ... so total should be 34 skill points.
Code:
Dragonnel
Size-Age Jump Listen Spot Survival
Small-Hatchling 4 (2) 3 (5) 3 (5) 2
Med-Very Young 5 (4) 3 (5) 3 (5) 4
Med-Young 6 (5) 4 (6) 4 (6) 4
Med-Juvenile 7 (6) 5 (7) 5 (7) 4
Large-Y Adult 8 (10) 5 (7) 5 (7) 6
Large-Adult 9 (11) 6 (8) 6 (8) 6
Large-M Adult 10 (12) 7 (9) 7 (9) 6
Huge-Old 11 (17) 8 (10) 8 (10) 7
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Wolf72
Explorer
tomorrow sometime I'll put up the Wyvern split up into age categories.
I went with: [edit: not bothering getting that set up right ... ]
skill points end up being 40 (6 int) ... and I went with max skill ranks =Lvl/HD+3 ... so the basic ranks end up being 10 (+mods).
skills are: Hide, Move Silently, Listen, Spot.
I think it's kinda fun having some age categories for the non-true dragon critters ... I've always wondered what a baby griffon would look (stat) like.
I went with: [edit: not bothering getting that set up right ... ]
Code:
Small-Hatchling 1HD
Medium-very Young 2HD
Medium-young 3HD
Medium-Juvenile 4HD
Large-young adult 5HD
Large-Adult 6HD
Large-Mature adult 7HDskills are: Hide, Move Silently, Listen, Spot.
I think it's kinda fun having some age categories for the non-true dragon critters ... I've always wondered what a baby griffon would look (stat) like.
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Wolf72
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Updates and Wyvern
wyvern skill points were correct to begin with ... oops.
Dragonnel – Huge Dragon
alignment: cantankerous neutral
dragonnel hatchling should be str 6 (-2) (not -3) ...
Attack bonus is +0 (full attack is 2 claws +0/+0, bite -5), jump is 4(2)
dmg is only -2
one more: I think I have the dmg for bite at standard str not 1.5x (it should be)
wyvern skill points were correct to begin with ... oops.
Dragonnel – Huge Dragon
alignment: cantankerous neutral
dragonnel hatchling should be str 6 (-2) (not -3) ...
Attack bonus is +0 (full attack is 2 claws +0/+0, bite -5), jump is 4(2)
dmg is only -2
one more: I think I have the dmg for bite at standard str not 1.5x (it should be)
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