Dominate Person (Su) - Dispellable or not? (seems to be some confusion)

[Ferox4]

I've searched through old posts and it seems no one has a steadfast ruling. That Ask the Sage post still has my head throbbing........

Perhaps I missed the thread that would give me the answer or perhaps there is no steadfast rule.

Also, assuming that Dominate Person (Su) CANNOT be dispelled, is there really any protection from it (short of making your saving throw or killing the vampire)? Protection from Evil only buys some time.

I know this is a tired subject, but I need to clear this up before next week.

Thanks

 

[Piratecat]

Unless I'm missing something, I'm sure it can be dispelled. In addition, going to another plane (even with a rope trick) will temporarily remove control.

 

[Ferox4]

I thought that Supernatural abilities were not subject to Dispel Magic?

 

[Nightfall]

Su abilities CAN be dispelled, negated or removed. Ex can't.

 

[Ferox4]

Su abilities CAN be dispelled, negated or removed. Ex can't.

Is this something that has been changed of late?

from the SRD: emphasis mine

SPECIAL ABILITIES
A special ability is either extraordinary, spell-like, or supernatural in nature.

Extraordinary Abilities (Ex): Extraordinary abilities are nonmagical. They are, however, not something that just anyone can do or even learn to do without extensive training. Effects or areas that negate or disrupt magic have no effect on extraordinary abilities.

Spell-Like Abilities (Sp): Spell-like abilities, as the name implies, are spells and magical abilities that are very much like spells. Spell-like abilities are subject to spell resistance and dispel magic. They do not function in areas where magic is suppressed or negated (such as an antimagic field).

Supernatural Abilities (Su): Supernatural abilities are magical but not spell-like. Supernatural abilities are not subject to spell resistance and do not function in areas where magic is suppressed or negated (such as an antimagic field). A supernatural ability’s effect cannot be dispelled and is not subject to counterspells. See the table below for a summary of the types of special abilities.

What's up?

 

[Ferox4]

Unless I'm missing something, I'm sure it can be dispelled.

Su abilities CAN be dispelled, negated or removed.

I just found this. I am assuming this is what you are referencing?

from 3.0 DMG errata:

Supernatural Abilities (Su): Supernatural abilities are magical but not spell-like. This far-reaching category includes the basilisk’s petrifying stare, the monk’s ki strike, and the ghoul’s paralytic touch. Supernatural abilities are not subject to spell resistance and do not function in areas where magic is suppressed or negated (such as an antimagic field). A supernatural ability’s effect can be dispelled if the duration is longer than instantaneous, but a supernatural ability is not subject to counterspells.

Note: This is from the 3.0 DMG errata and still doesn't answer my question for 3.5

 

[Caliban]

Where did you find the DMG 3.5 errata? I didn't think it had been released yet, and I don't see it in the errata section of the WOTC website.

 

[Ferox4]

Where did you find the DMG 3.5 errata? I didn't think it had been released yet, and I don't see it in the errata section of the WOTC website.

My bad, Caliban. I just assumed it was 3.5 - it's still the 3.0 DMG errata.

So now what am I to think about this? It was changed in 3.0 and subsequently changed back in 3.5? This makes no sense.

Piratecat and Nightfall - what makes you certain that Su abilities can be dispelled in 3.5?

Caliban? You're always a definitive source. What's your take on this?

 

[ciaran00]

They can be dispelled. This is why Caster Level is specified under Su generally. If not, use the creature's HD as a guide.

ciaran

 

[Ferox4]

They can be dispelled. This is why Caster Level is specified under Su generally. If not, use the creature's HD as a guide.

ciaran

Can you please site where it says they can be dispelled?

All I can find explicitly says they cannot be dispelled:

again, from the SRD (also stated in the PHB, and DMG):

Supernatural Abilities (Su): Supernatural abilities are magical but not spell-like. Supernatural abilities are not subject to spell resistance and do not function in areas where magic is suppressed or negated (such as an antimagic field). A supernatural ability’s effect cannot be dispelled and is not subject to counterspells.