Does Blindsight see through Hide in Plain Sight (Su)?

[zlorf]

Does Blindsight see someone who is using Hide in Plain Sight (Su)?

Cheers
Z

 

[Jack Simth]

BLINDSIGHT AND BLINDSENSE

Some creatures have blindsight, the extraordinary ability to use a nonvisual sense (or a combination of such senses) to operate effectively without vision. Such sense may include sensitivity to vibrations, acute scent, keen hearing, or echolocation. This ability makes invisibility and concealment (even magical darkness) irrelevant to the creature (though it still can’t see ethereal creatures). This ability operates out to a range specified in the creature description.

* Blindsight never allows a creature to distinguish color or visual contrast. A creature cannot read with blindsight.
* Blindsight does not subject a creature to gaze attacks (even though darkvision does).
* Blinding attacks do not penalize creatures using blindsight.
* Deafening attacks thwart blindsight if it relies on hearing.
* Blindsight works underwater but not in a vacuum.
* Blindsight negates displacement and blur effects.

Blindsense: Other creatures have blindsense, a lesser ability that lets the creature notice things it cannot see, but without the precision of blindsight. The creature with blindsense usually does not need to make Spot or Listen checks to notice and locate creatures within range of its blindsense ability, provided that it has line of effect to that creature. Any opponent the creature cannot see has total concealment (50% miss chance) against the creature with blindsense, and the blindsensing creature still has the normal miss chance when attacking foes that have concealment. Visibility still affects the movement of a creature with blindsense. A creature with blindsense is still denied its Dexterity bonus to Armor Class against attacks from creatures it cannot see.

(Emphasis added)

Blindsight penetrates Hide in Plain Sight, by my reading.

 

[zlorf]

Thanks,

Would "Wall of Force" also be sensed?

Its actually invisible by it nature, though if blightsight includes echolocation, you get
some sort of feedback by hitting a solid object. hmmm

(Emphasis added)

Blindsight penetrates Hide in Plain Sight, by my reading.

 

[Jack Simth]

Thanks,

Would "Wall of Force" also be sensed?

Its actually invisible by it nature, though if blightsight includes echolocation, you get
some sort of feedback by hitting a solid object. hmmm

I just didn't underline the section you're looking for, for that one:

BLINDSIGHT AND BLINDSENSE

Some creatures have blindsight, the extraordinary ability to use a nonvisual sense (or a combination of such senses) to operate effectively without vision. Such sense may include sensitivity to vibrations, acute scent, keen hearing, or echolocation. This ability makes invisibility and concealment (even magical darkness) irrelevant to the creature (though it still can’t see ethereal creatures). This ability operates out to a range specified in the creature description.

* Blindsight never allows a creature to distinguish color or visual contrast. A creature cannot read with blindsight.
* Blindsight does not subject a creature to gaze attacks (even though darkvision does).
* Blinding attacks do not penalize creatures using blindsight.
* Deafening attacks thwart blindsight if it relies on hearing.
* Blindsight works underwater but not in a vacuum.
* Blindsight negates displacement and blur effects.

Blindsense: Other creatures have blindsense, a lesser ability that lets the creature notice things it cannot see, but without the precision of blindsight. The creature with blindsense usually does not need to make Spot or Listen checks to notice and locate creatures within range of its blindsense ability, provided that it has line of effect to that creature. Any opponent the creature cannot see has total concealment (50% miss chance) against the creature with blindsense, and the blindsensing creature still has the normal miss chance when attacking foes that have concealment. Visibility still affects the movement of a creature with blindsense. A creature with blindsense is still denied its Dexterity bonus to Armor Class against attacks from creatures it cannot see.

(Emphasis and emphasis added)

A Wall of Force is invisible. Blindsight makes invisibility irrelevant. It can be seen with Blindsight just fine.

 

[zlorf]

Yes, but whats an invisible wall of force look like to someone who can see invisibility? Does it shimmer instead or do you get some sort of outline.

Cheers
Z

I just didn't underline the section you're looking for, for that one:
(Emphasis and emphasis added)

A Wall of Force is invisible. Blindsight makes invisibility irrelevant. It can be seen with Blindsight just fine.

 

[Christian]

Yes, but whats an invisible wall of force look like to someone who can see invisibility? Does it shimmer instead or do you get some sort of outline.

I dunno. What is it like to be a bat?

 

[prospero63]

(Emphasis added)

Blindsight penetrates Hide in Plain Sight, by my reading.

This is how I have seen it handled as well (and in practice, our party lost a couple of folks to an assassin before we invested heavily in blindsight type items for this exact reason).

 

[prospero63]

Yes, but whats an invisible wall of force look like to someone who can see invisibility? Does it shimmer instead or do you get some sort of outline.

Cheers
Z

IMO that question is answered by a DM's creativity. What does an invisible wall of force look like? Personally, I'd go with a brick wall with graffiti from ethereal hoodlums...