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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 4998802" data-attributes="member: 2011"><p>I already said that the rules evidence for this is there, but not strong, hence, I won't debate it.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Unfortunately for your POV, unsafe is used repeatedly in the DMG on hindering terrain.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You are claiming that the squares next to a Storm Pillar are safe.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Unfortunately for your POV, the term unsafe is not needed for my POV. It's just additional support. A trap does not definitively do damage (the PC can be slide over the pit, DMG page 44), but it is still an unsafe square and still hindering terrain.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>By definition, squares adjacent to Storm Pillar damages creatures that enter the square and allows line of sight, hence, it is hindering terrain.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Please feel free to show rules support that effects that do immediate damage when a creature enters the square and allows line of sight are NOT hindering terrain.</p><p></p><p>That's what you need to prove. The rules are clear. Terrain in which a creature will be damaged by entering it and allows line of sight is hindering terrain.</p><p></p><p>Show us rules that say that this is sometimes the case and sometimes not the case. I don't see any exceptions listed for this rule. Lava, fire, <s>Wall of Fire</s>, Cloud of Daggers, Storm Pillar.</p><p></p><p>There are no rules that indicate that Storm Pillar is an exception to the general rule. Please post them.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Note: Wall of Fire was bugging me, so I looked it up. It blocks line of sight, hence, it is not hindering terrain. The line of sight rule is a stupid rule (I think the purpose of it was supposed to be that the creature has line of sight to the unsafe square in order to determine that it is hindering terrain, but that's not the rule). For example, a Cloud of Darkness over a pit is also not hindering terrain (it's obscured terrain). But, a blind man next to a normal pit, it is hindering terrain. Go figure. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 4998802, member: 2011"] I already said that the rules evidence for this is there, but not strong, hence, I won't debate it. Unfortunately for your POV, unsafe is used repeatedly in the DMG on hindering terrain. You are claiming that the squares next to a Storm Pillar are safe. Unfortunately for your POV, the term unsafe is not needed for my POV. It's just additional support. A trap does not definitively do damage (the PC can be slide over the pit, DMG page 44), but it is still an unsafe square and still hindering terrain. By definition, squares adjacent to Storm Pillar damages creatures that enter the square and allows line of sight, hence, it is hindering terrain. Please feel free to show rules support that effects that do immediate damage when a creature enters the square and allows line of sight are NOT hindering terrain. That's what you need to prove. The rules are clear. Terrain in which a creature will be damaged by entering it and allows line of sight is hindering terrain. Show us rules that say that this is sometimes the case and sometimes not the case. I don't see any exceptions listed for this rule. Lava, fire, [s]Wall of Fire[/s], Cloud of Daggers, Storm Pillar. There are no rules that indicate that Storm Pillar is an exception to the general rule. Please post them. Note: Wall of Fire was bugging me, so I looked it up. It blocks line of sight, hence, it is not hindering terrain. The line of sight rule is a stupid rule (I think the purpose of it was supposed to be that the creature has line of sight to the unsafe square in order to determine that it is hindering terrain, but that's not the rule). For example, a Cloud of Darkness over a pit is also not hindering terrain (it's obscured terrain). But, a blind man next to a normal pit, it is hindering terrain. Go figure. ;) [/QUOTE]
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