Dice with character...when is using them cheating?

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There a spectrum of opinions regarding dice and the importance of balance. A healthy minority of gamers have strong preferences for balanced die. Louis Zocchi is the grandfather and first example I think of for this cohort. I've gone down this rabbit hole. When I got back into the hobby, older and with more disposable income, I bought a set of precision dice which were my main DM dice for years (made more expensive because I worked with the vendor to buy colors matching medieval colors associated with each of the polyhedrals, instead of buying a matching set--I wanted the best balance I could get with physical dice, but I still care about aesthetics, character, and like to engage in a bit of magical thinking).

The second cohort are those who care more about character than balance. They want cool looking dice and/or have emotional connections to certain dice. Many of this cohort exhibit a bit of magical thinking about their dice and are often accused of falling for the gambler's fallacy. Yet, I find that in many instances they are not falling for the gamblers fallacy, because their dice are not balanced and their dice will favor certain numbers to various degrees. I have a d10 from the 1980s. A cheap plastic blue die with the numbers filled in with white crayon, which is well worn from years of use and has some gouges from the teeth of the family dog who got a hold of it in the 80s. It ain't balanced. It isn't as consistent as a weighted, cheater's die; any number still has a chance of coming up, but it favors some numbers over the others.

The third cohort are those who don't think about it much and are happy to use whatever dice are available. They are not the focus of this discussion.

So, how do you feel about other players using unbalanced dice of character? I've never experienced a DM or another player complaining because everyone at the table wasn't using precision dice, but I have seen people complain about certain dice being too unbalanced. What about you? Is digging through bins of cheap dice and collecting various dice with a focus on dice that look cool more than being balanced part of the fun, or an annoying distraction that detracts from the pure fun or true randomness? Is it a legitimate strategy to dig through a large bag of dice that you have curated and have come to know their quirks well; rolling one die for one game or kind of roll and another die for another game or kind of roll, based on your experience of how they roll. Or is that cheating?

One thing I miss about in-person play now that I run games on a VTT with digital dice, is the various superstitions, gamesmanship, personification of dice players engage in when rolling physical dice. Unless you are rolling precision dice through a dice tower, you aren't coming close to true randomness. How you role, the imperfections in the dice, and other factors can lead to lesser degrees of randomness. This is something I think most gamer accept. But where do you draw the line?
 

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So, how do you feel about other players using unbalanced dice of character? I've never experienced a DM or another player complaining because everyone at the table wasn't using precision dice, but I have seen people complain about certain dice being too unbalanced. What about you?
Well, there's a degree of unbalanced. There's perfectly balanced precision dice, there's a wide spectrum most of us would consider good enough, then there's novelty dice that can roll fairly, then there's cheater's dice (those designed to favor certain faces over others).

If the dice are your typical math rocks with bits cast in them for show, that's fine. If the dice are cast into bizarre shapes that basically can't roll true, not a chance.
Is digging through bins of cheap dice and collecting various dice with a focus on dice that look cool more than being balanced part of the fun, or an annoying distraction that detracts from the pure fun or true randomness?
There's nothing wrong with having cool looking dice. The point of dice is the randomness. If they can't deliver a certain level of randomness, there's no point. Have your cute dice to look at off to the side and your ugly rolling dice ready to go.
Is it a legitimate strategy to dig through a large bag of dice that you have curated and have come to know their quirks well; rolling one die for one game or kind of roll and another die for another game or kind of roll, based on your experience of how they roll. Or is that cheating?
Depends on how unbalanced those dice are.
This is something I think most gamer accept. But where do you draw the line?
Like most things, be willing to accept good enough because there's no such thing as perfect.
 



I think I would get an app dice roller before buying something labeled as precision dice. I stopped by the local convention today to get tomorrow's tickets and happened to stroll through the dealer room and seen some silicone dice the size of my fist. They were labeled in 3 different softness(esses). I would buy these to throw around the room instead of precision dice.
 

I assume dice with things in them, things other than glitter/flecks, like skulls or banjos, or other chunks, are gonna be unbalanced. Dice with half and half clear/opaque resins also seem suspect. But outside that, most dice are fair enough. People are way more suspicious and unreliable than most dice. If you want to saltwater spin hundreds of dice to find a couple of normally cute dice that maybe give you a 4% higher chance of a nat 20, you’ve got more stuff going on than I’m gonna worry about at my table.
 

I assume dice with things in them, things other than glitter/flecks, like skulls or banjos, or other chunks, are gonna be unbalanced. Dice with half and half clear/opaque resins also seem suspect. But outside that, most dice are fair enough. People are way more suspicious and unreliable than most dice. If you want to saltwater spin hundreds of dice to find a couple of normally cute dice that maybe give you a 4% higher chance of a nat 20, you’ve got more stuff going on than I’m gonna worry about at my table.
That's pretty much where I'm at, and I say that as someone who was once the most diehard of dice fairness enforcers. Once, my collection was only precision, unused casino dice and painstakingly polished Gamescience dice. But in a world where most folks grab a Chessex or knock-off set, I realised most dice are ultimately "good enough" and the differences are often minor enough to simply not matter in day-to-day gaming. Especially when weighed against everything else that can impact fairness. And if I was really that concerned over a few percentiles, shouldn't I be pushing for properly-programmed device-based or online randomisers instead? The mindset felt like a lot of effort and worry over almost nothing in the end for me. YMMV and all that, of course.
 

I saw one person with cheater's dice for d6's once. They couldn't use those.

Where would one pick up a cheater's D20 though? Or a Cheater's D10, D8, or D4 (I'd think that may be the easiest to spot as a cheater die though).

Me....I tend for the dice that look cool. If they look cool and are expensive (yes, that's a fallacy I'll fall for) than I suppose that enough care was put into it to try to make it somewhat balanced. Sometimes it doesn't seem like that works though. I love rainbow colored dice and such. Sparkles are also something that I tend to fall for.
 


I think I would get an app dice roller before buying something labeled as precision dice. I stopped by the local convention today to get tomorrow's tickets and happened to stroll through the dealer room and seen some silicone dice the size of my fist. They were labeled in 3 different softness(esses). I would buy these to throw around the room instead of precision dice.
Yeah, I can't really justify my having spend $20 per die for a full D&D set (including 2 d10s), but I don't have to. I just like them. They are alumnium so they are light but still have a heavier feel than cheap plastic dice. I like their coolness when holding them (as in temperature), and I like the sharp, crisp edges. They have very crisp and easy to read numbers laser-etched in them so their faces are completely smooth. It is the aesthetics as much, or more so, than their being balanced. Unfortunately, the maker no longer make them with the sharp edges. All their dice now have chamfered edges, which allow them to roll more and perhaps gives more randomness, but I don't like the look nearly as much.
 

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