Daylight vs. Deeper Darkness - Dispel

[Ffaelfarrin]

Hey Folks

Right atm we're having an argument in our group on the following:

Do opposing spells dispel each other _without a dispel check_?

So, for example, daylight says:

Daylight counters or dispels any darkness spell of equal or lower level, such as darkness.

Detailed situation:
Right now we're crawling around in a dungeon filles with deeper darkenss at some locations.
Now, I'm aware that if you move into such an area with a daylight spell cast on yourself, the effect of both the darkenss and the light negate each other temporarily.
But if the darkness is centered on -say, a book lying on an altar or something - and you cast daylight onto it to dispel the darkness - do both spells just vanish with a "poof" or does one have to make a dispel check?

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Same question goes for Bless - Bane cast by a cleric. Can a bane cast by a third level cleric dispel a bless cast by a 18th level cleric without a check?

Thanks for your answers and participation in advance

Regards

 

[Thanee]

Yep, the dispel happens automatically, it's not to be confused with Dispel Magic.

A light spell of high enough level simply makes darkness go away.

Bye
Thanee

 

[irdeggman]

One of my players tried to use the "overpower" argument in a similar situation.

The dispel/counter rules in 3.5 do not have any such thing as teh old 2nd ed rules for overpowering magic.

If the spells counter then they "both" are consumed, same mechanical result as for dispelling only no check required.

 

[moritheil]

Welcome to the boards!

Hey Folks

Right atm we're having an argument in our group on the following:

Do opposing spells dispel each other _without a dispel check_?

Dispel checks are expressly for use with dispel magic and similar spells. The general idea there is that because you are not using the specific spell that naturally counters the other spell, you need to make a dispel check. When you use the exact spell - such as in the case of daylight and deeper darkness - the two spells cancel each other out.

 

[Vegepygmy]

Yep, the dispel happens automatically, it's not to be confused with Dispel Magic.

A light spell of high enough level simply makes darkness go away.

I concur.