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<blockquote data-quote="Cleon" data-source="post: 8019782" data-attributes="member: 57383"><p>So 5d6+18 with the bite and 3d6+6 with the flippers?</p><p></p><p>That's a bit more damage with the bite than a pair of flippers - the averages are bite 35.5 and flippers 33. The original was the other way around, with bite 12.5 (5d4) and the pair of flippers 15 (3d4×2).</p><p></p><p>If we used ×1 damage it'd match the AD&D version's relationship better, with the bite 29.5 (5d6+12) and a pair of flippers averaging 33 (3d6+6×2).</p><p></p><p>That's a flipper/bite ratio of 1.12, which is still lower than the original's 1.2</p><p></p><p>Actually, I'm not liking the odd number of d6s for the bite, so maybe we could cut that to, say, 4d6 or increase it to 6d6 so it fits on the standard monster d6-based natural weapon damage progression? What happens when it size-increases to Colossal, does the 5d6 become 7d6 or 10d6 it it adds Improved Natural Attack?</p><p></p><p>Upon further reflection, both those damages seem too high. I would rather it not deal out massive damage since the original was relatively modest in its lethality. Its 5d4 bite was a lot less deadly than, say, an Tyrannosaurus's 5d8. That damage is in the same ballpark as an AD&D Purple Worm's 2d12 (average of 13 vs the AD&D afanc's 12.5), suggesting the 3E conversion should be similar to the SRD Purple Worm's 2d8+12.</p><p></p><p>I feel this is a monster that lowish-level characters were meant to encounter while boating so it shouldn't have a murderously high damage output.</p><p></p><p>Also, if its bite does more modest damage it also makes it more likely its opponents will survive being bitten and enjoy the experience of being swallowed.</p><p></p><p>So maybe 2d8+12 for the bite and 2d6+6 for the flippers? (average bite 21, flippers 26, ratio 1.23)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cleon, post: 8019782, member: 57383"] So 5d6+18 with the bite and 3d6+6 with the flippers? That's a bit more damage with the bite than a pair of flippers - the averages are bite 35.5 and flippers 33. The original was the other way around, with bite 12.5 (5d4) and the pair of flippers 15 (3d4×2). If we used ×1 damage it'd match the AD&D version's relationship better, with the bite 29.5 (5d6+12) and a pair of flippers averaging 33 (3d6+6×2). That's a flipper/bite ratio of 1.12, which is still lower than the original's 1.2 Actually, I'm not liking the odd number of d6s for the bite, so maybe we could cut that to, say, 4d6 or increase it to 6d6 so it fits on the standard monster d6-based natural weapon damage progression? What happens when it size-increases to Colossal, does the 5d6 become 7d6 or 10d6 it it adds Improved Natural Attack? Upon further reflection, both those damages seem too high. I would rather it not deal out massive damage since the original was relatively modest in its lethality. Its 5d4 bite was a lot less deadly than, say, an Tyrannosaurus's 5d8. That damage is in the same ballpark as an AD&D Purple Worm's 2d12 (average of 13 vs the AD&D afanc's 12.5), suggesting the 3E conversion should be similar to the SRD Purple Worm's 2d8+12. I feel this is a monster that lowish-level characters were meant to encounter while boating so it shouldn't have a murderously high damage output. Also, if its bite does more modest damage it also makes it more likely its opponents will survive being bitten and enjoy the experience of being swallowed. So maybe 2d8+12 for the bite and 2d6+6 for the flippers? (average bite 21, flippers 26, ratio 1.23) [/QUOTE]
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