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<blockquote data-quote="Cleon" data-source="post: 5956745" data-attributes="member: 57383"><p>I think your sums are wrong there. As a magical beast it'll get 10-sided Hit Dice, giving it 4d10+16 HD with Con 19, for an average of 38 hit points.</p><p></p><p>Let's see, a 3 HD AD&D Nikt'oo averages 13.5 hp, which is less than half the 30 hp given for a "Ferry Turtle", which in turn is less than the 22 hp average of that turtle's 4+4 HD.</p><p></p><p>If we assume the 30 hp is just because the examples in <em><strong>Sylvan Veil</strong></em> are exceptional specimens and just use the average hit points (22 hp vs 13.5 hp), that's a difference of +7.5 hp or +63%. That suggests our 3E update should have about 40-41 hp, based on our Nikt'oo conversion's 25 hp.</p><p></p><p>To get close to that hp target we need to either increase its Constitution to the next bonus number (Con 20-21), giving it an average of 42 hp, or give it Toughness, giving it an average of 41 hp.</p><p></p><p>Hmm, I'm tempted by the Toughness solution, since Con 21 just feels a little too high. Maybe make it a bonus feat?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I think we've got enough for me to start a Working Draft. I'll launch one after I finish work today.</p><p></p><p>Oh, one thing I forgot to mention - I think it should have a 1d8 bite (based on the damage progression of the Sea Turtles) rather than the Nikt'oo's 1d10 damage.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cleon, post: 5956745, member: 57383"] I think your sums are wrong there. As a magical beast it'll get 10-sided Hit Dice, giving it 4d10+16 HD with Con 19, for an average of 38 hit points. Let's see, a 3 HD AD&D Nikt'oo averages 13.5 hp, which is less than half the 30 hp given for a "Ferry Turtle", which in turn is less than the 22 hp average of that turtle's 4+4 HD. If we assume the 30 hp is just because the examples in [I][B]Sylvan Veil[/B][/I] are exceptional specimens and just use the average hit points (22 hp vs 13.5 hp), that's a difference of +7.5 hp or +63%. That suggests our 3E update should have about 40-41 hp, based on our Nikt'oo conversion's 25 hp. To get close to that hp target we need to either increase its Constitution to the next bonus number (Con 20-21), giving it an average of 42 hp, or give it Toughness, giving it an average of 41 hp. Hmm, I'm tempted by the Toughness solution, since Con 21 just feels a little too high. Maybe make it a bonus feat? I think we've got enough for me to start a Working Draft. I'll launch one after I finish work today. Oh, one thing I forgot to mention - I think it should have a 1d8 bite (based on the damage progression of the Sea Turtles) rather than the Nikt'oo's 1d10 damage. [/QUOTE]
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