D&D 5E CONJURE CELESTIAL questions

[maritimo80]

The magic of 7th level Cleric, Conjure Celestial, is a question I wish to discuss.


Parace be a very good magic, tuning is 7th level, where "You summon the heavenly challenge rating of 4 or lower, Which appears in an unoccupied space That You can see Within range."
And you can still can .... "When you cast this spell using the
9th-level spell slot, you summon the heavenly challenge of
rating 5 or lower. "


But in the book of monsters the only celestial monsters are:


- Angel DEVA (Challenge 10)
- Angel Planetar (Challenge 16)
- Angel SOLAR (Challenge 21)
- Couatl (Challenge 4)
- Empyrean (Challenge 23)
- Pegasus (Challenge 2)
- Unicorn (Challenge 5)


That is the only options available to Challenge 4 are Couatl and Pegasus, and Challenge 5 is the Unicorn. Magic with it in my opinion happens to be very weak, because hardly any of heavenly options and those who have are very weak, especially if dealing with a 7th level spell.


Do you agree with me?

Any idea or seen something in the Forum to improve this spell, or more options of Celstials?

Could summon some fiend when dealing with an evil cleric?

 

[Eejit]

Couatl is awesome, makes the spell immediately worthwhile.

It also leaves the door open for more celestials in later products.

 

[MonkeezOnFire]

I would happily summon the couatl. It has good AC, HP and saves so it can charge in first for you. It's attacks can give the poisoned or restrained conditions to enemies. And on top of that it can buff or heal the party with its spell casting.

The spell doesn't have the versatility of the other conjure spells, but it is still worthwhile to cast.

 

[Elderbrain]

Don't forget that creatures with other types also come in "Celestial" versions...in other words you can take (for instance) a regular beast and make it Celestial by just sawing off the "Beast" type and a signing it the "Celestial" type instead. This is perfectly legitimate, since the PH mentions that Animals come in regular, Fey, Celestial and Fiendish versions. The DMG says the same for humanoids, too! So you have a lot more choices than you might think....

The same point also applies to other summoning spells that conjure "Elementals" or "Fey"...

 

[Mephista]

I don't know if I agree with Elderbrain's assumption you can just slap a Celestial moniker in front of any creature. And, even if you could, it'd frankly be disappointing, given my thoughts below.

Anyways, one thing you have to keep in mind. From the looks of things, I find that "goodly" creatures tend to have a lower CR rating than an evil version. So, a couatl is actually far stronger than a succubus, a fiend that shares the same CR rating. I'd put them as slightly weaker than a Glabrezu demon, a CR 9 monster, but stronger than a Hezrou demon, a CR 8 critter. Actually, they might be better than the Yochlol, Lolth's pet demons at CR 10, and the Erinyes, CR 12. I certainly would rate a couatl and unicorn at least equal to the T-Rex, the most powerful Beast (CR 8). The CR ratings are a bit messed up, truthfully.

Anyways, the point is - the Couatl and Unicorn are bad asses, despite their low CR. All this before we start getting our hands on archons in future books.

Also, for the record, you have to be careful with Conjure Celestial, because that's generally cast right alongside Planar Binding, meaning you have a good aligned critter who's likely tolerant of you, around for a full day, and not a Concentration effect.

Meanwhile, clerics also have access to the spell Planar Ally, which lets them call down even greater powers, with no CR issues.

 

[Riley37]

Core books are mainly about PCs and what they can do. They have a lot of implications about the setting, but they should not categorically define the residents of the Celestial Planes; that's setting material.

I don't see stats for goats, sheep, deer or cows, but I assume they can still be present in the setting, and that you could use Conjure Animals to summon them.

 

[gyor]

Yum, summoned beef and mutton *drools*

 

[rjfTrebor]

In my games, i just added the Celestial Keyword to most of the Humanoid.

 

[Joe Liker]

Yum, summoned beef and mutton *drools*

They disappear when you kill them, so it would be a horrific, gruesome task to keep one alive while you ate any decent-sized portion of its flesh and digested the meal long enough for it to become more you than the celestial. I suppose the DM could rule that the meat counted as part of you the moment it went in your mouth, but even so, I have a feeling the deity granting this spell might have something to say about the proceedings.

In my campaign, such a cleric would find every attempted casting of conjure celestial replaced with create food and water. "Based on experience, we assume this was the spell you intended to cast."

 

[Tanaka Chris]

My campaign had my allies asking me to summon creatures for their material components.
As Joe Liker pointed out, the components would disappear when the summons did.

Oh well, in the end we got bat guano by speaking to some bats, feeding them goodberries and having them poop in a urn for our fireball components out in the wilderness.