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<blockquote data-quote="Cleon" data-source="post: 8159570" data-attributes="member: 57383"><p>Okay, reviewing the Cleon Specials some of the Challenge Rating's are a tad too low according to standard Improving Monsters guidelines.</p><p></p><p>The Gargantuan Dire Tanystropheus should be CR 14 not 13.</p><p></p><p>The Huge Dire Crocodile should be CR 8 not 7, which means the Giant Crocodile Redux should be CR 7 not 6 and the Giant Dire Crocodiles should all have CRs one higher.</p><p></p><p>Finally, the Nightmare King Primal Tyrannosaurus should be Challenge Rating 42 (!) rather than 35. CR 14 for the Primal Tyrannosaurus +26 CR for the +78 Hit Dice and +2 CR for the two size increases. I believe I used a +1 CR per 4 HD instead of the guidelines +1 per 3 HD.</p><p></p><p>Since the Epic Level rules are notoriously iffy and Monster CRs are hardly exact, that CR 42 may be very inaccurate. For a start, The Nightmare King has no ranged attack or teleportation abilities so can only injure opponents with melee attacks, meaning its enemies just need to stay out of charge range and they can attack it without any risk.</p><p></p><p>EDIT: Just noticed some inconsistent numbering in the entries - for example, one creature might weigh "1,500" pounds but another weighs "1500" pounds. I've gone through the Cleon Specials and added commas to the numbers where appropriate, since that matches the "#,###" format used in the SRD and WotC publications.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cleon, post: 8159570, member: 57383"] Okay, reviewing the Cleon Specials some of the Challenge Rating's are a tad too low according to standard Improving Monsters guidelines. The Gargantuan Dire Tanystropheus should be CR 14 not 13. The Huge Dire Crocodile should be CR 8 not 7, which means the Giant Crocodile Redux should be CR 7 not 6 and the Giant Dire Crocodiles should all have CRs one higher. Finally, the Nightmare King Primal Tyrannosaurus should be Challenge Rating 42 (!) rather than 35. CR 14 for the Primal Tyrannosaurus +26 CR for the +78 Hit Dice and +2 CR for the two size increases. I believe I used a +1 CR per 4 HD instead of the guidelines +1 per 3 HD. Since the Epic Level rules are notoriously iffy and Monster CRs are hardly exact, that CR 42 may be very inaccurate. For a start, The Nightmare King has no ranged attack or teleportation abilities so can only injure opponents with melee attacks, meaning its enemies just need to stay out of charge range and they can attack it without any risk. EDIT: Just noticed some inconsistent numbering in the entries - for example, one creature might weigh "1,500" pounds but another weighs "1500" pounds. I've gone through the Cleon Specials and added commas to the numbers where appropriate, since that matches the "#,###" format used in the SRD and WotC publications. [/QUOTE]
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