Cleave at the end of a charge....

[DarkJester]

I assume the cleave attack would not get the +2 bonus to hit from the charge, but cleave does state that it uses the same attack bonuses.

If it does grant the +2 bonus to hit from charging, would it deal the improved charge damage if a character were charging from horseback with a lance?

 

[LokiDR]

Yes. IIRC, the charge modifieres last for a round. Any person who hits a person after their charge find that their AC is 2 lower.

The same is true of the mounted lance charge.

 

[Maitre Du Donjon]

Actually, the charge description is:

"After moving, the combatant may make a single melee attack or a bull rush. The combatant gets a +2 bonus on the attack roll. The combatant also suffers a -2 penalty to AC for 1 round. "

Its specifically states that the AC malus lasts a round, but not the attack bonus.

Of course, its probably written this way to imply that the attack bonus is not used should the charging character get to make AoO's. Add to that the Cleave description that clearly states that the cleave attempt is made at the same attack bonus that was used for the dropping attack...

Ah the fun with rules...

Maitre D.

 

[LokiDR]

Ok. Then default to "use the same attack bonus as the orriginal attack." Nothing in charge contradicts this. A "single melee attack" is a standard action which is used to attack. If you could whirlwind as a standard action, you would get the bonus to all those attacks.

 

[MThibault]

As far as I know, even if you could WWA as a standard action you couldn't Charge/WWA.

Charge is a different action from a normal Attack action. Charge is a full round action that allows you to move and attack (with bonuses and penalties) -- if you could substitute a WWA for that single attack then it wouldn't really matter whether WWA was a full-round or a standard action. You still can't take a full round (charge) and a standard action (WWA, hypothetically) at the same time.

Cleave is allowed because the conditions for Cleave have nothing to do with actions.

Cheers

 

[LokiDR]

By that reasoning, a monk can't charge and do a stunning blow.

 

[Dr_Rictus]

By that reasoning, a monk can't charge and do a stunning blow.

No, that is not implied by the same reasoning at all. Nowhere does it say that the monk must take the attack action to execute a stunning blow.

 

[Gaiden]

MThibault - oh yes you could.

Weapon master 9 with prereq's, need I say more.

 

[IceBear]

Crap, misread what was said

IceBear

 

[Wippit Guud]

Quick hi-jack... you can't great cleave at the end of a charge, cause you can't move (even a 5ft step) after a charge)

We return you back to the monk question.