[Chain Spell] Dispel Magic

[Felix]

Two questions:

1) Ok, so Chain Spell metamagic specifies that the spell to be altered has a range greater than Touch and specifies a specific target.

Dispel Magic passes on the range issue, but does it specify a specific target? I know that a Targeted Dispel Magic is an option, and that is what I'd [Chain], but does having an Area-effect Dispel render the whole spell un-Chainable?

2) Assume that you could cast a [Chain] Targeted Dispel Magic. This would be a 6th level spell. It would affect up to a max of 21 creatures in a 30-ft radius, who would all be subject to a 1d20+10 Dispel check on every spell functioning on them as well as the supression of every magic item. Metamagic-ed spells generally are poorer than the actual spells of that level, but I think this kicks butt compared to Greater Dispel Magic (until about 16th level or so).

What do you all think about the effacasy of a [Chained] Targeted Dispel Magic?

 

[RigaMortus]

3) What happens if you Maxmize a Dispel Magic? Anything?

 

[Lasher Dragon]

I think it sounds tight, the main things that would suck are rolling all those damn checks, and that dispel only gets max 10 caster level on the check.

 

[Felix]

3) What happens if you Maxmize a Dispel Magic? Anything?

Ooooo. Nice idea, but I don't think a caster level check is a "variable numeric spell effect". Heh.

the main things that would suck are rolling all those damn checks,

Yes. Yes it would.

and that dispel only gets max 10 caster level on the check.

Yeah, but even if you're going up against a 15th level caster and the mooks he's buffed, your expected Dispel percentage is 25% of all spell effects in action. Better if he's lower level. So it's not shabby.

 

[Pyrex]

You don't automatically get all the items when you target a creature, you have to target them individually out of your allotment of "targets within 30'".

While the text isn't carried over into the SRD, it's clearly stated in the PHB that you can't apply either Maximize or Empower to Dispel Magic (and, by extension, similar spells).

Empowered Dispel Magic would be *way* broken. (we didn't notice that you couldn't Empower it and my cleric made heavy use of it for a while. Way too good)

 

[Hammerhead]

No one here is mentioning items, just active spell effects. And an Empowered Dispel Magic would do...absolutely nothing, because a caster level check is not a variable numeric spell effect.

Dispel Magics, however, can be Quickened, Extended, Silenced, Stilled, or Chained. I like the use of the Chained Dispel Magic, or, even better, a Chained Greater Dispel Magic. It would be kind of like a Mord's Disjunction, but without the nasty loss of items after you kill your enemies.

 

[Lasher Dragon]

Pyrex, I think you are wrong...

From the SRD:

Targeted Dispel: One object, creature, or spell is the target of the dispel magic spell. You make a dispel check (1d20 + your caster level, maximum +10) against the spell or against each ongoing spell currently in effect on the object or creature. The DC for this dispel check is 11 + the spell’s caster level. If you succeed on a particular check, that spell is dispelled; if you fail, that spell remains in effect.

So if a creature has multiple ongoing spells, then you get a dispel check for each of them, with 1 creature-targeted dispel magic. Am I wrong?

 

[Thanee]

3) What happens if you Maxmize a Dispel Magic? Anything?

This has been asked so often by now...

No, of course you cannot maximize the caster level check.

Bye
Thanee

 

[Joker]

Some people see the d20 as variable and then think they can maximize/empower it. That's what I thought for a while though I have never seen it in play. That would be a tad too powerful.

 

[RigaMortus]

This has been asked so often by now...

No, of course you cannot maximize the caster level check.

Bye
Thanee

Where is the rule in the Core books (or FAQ or errata) that says you can not do this? It is obviously a variable, otherwise you wouldn't be rolling anything. I like to play by the Rules As Written...