D&D 5E Buckler SHIELD, Weapons e Armos REMOVED

maritimo80

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The last Playtest had Buckler shield, which was removed in the PHB, as well as other weapons and armor.


1- Do you know why this Shield was removed?


2- Do you know why some armor and weapons were removed?


3- There is something in their mechanics that disrupts the game?


4 In the New DMG has new weapons, armor and shields?


5- Is there a Shield that may be used by archers? The Shield Buckler could be used by archers?
 

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With the caveat that I can't read the designers minds (yet!), here's my shot:

1- Do you know why this Shield was removed?

To simplify the game? Reduce the chances that there is a combination of proficiencies, armor & or weapons that mark a clearly superior option for reduced cost? (i.e. lighter armor with buckler ends up being a better deal than medium armor).

2- Do you know why some armor and weapons were removed?

see above.

3- There is something in their mechanics that disrupts the game?

Possibly, or maybe they were just redundant? At some point, coming up with unique mechanics for different weapon or armor types just becomes a bit tiresome and increases the chance of creating a 'broken' or ridiculous combination that distorts the equipments value and usage.

4 In the New DMG has new weapons, armor and shields?

You mean other than magical varieties of what we already have? No Idea.

5- Is there a Shield that may be used by archers? The Shield Buckler could be used by archers?

Not that I am aware of, no.
 

there's no way an archer could use a buckler shield while shooting a bow.

as to why they were removed? some one probably complained about it during playtesting for one reason or another.
 

5- Is there a Shield that may be used by archers? The Shield Buckler could be used by archers?

I suppose a fighter could use a hand crossbow in one hand and hold a shield in the other. Coupled with the crossbow expert feat to remove disadvantage for using it adjacent to a foe it could make for an interesting character.
 

there's no way an archer could use a buckler shield while shooting a bow.

as to why they were removed? some one probably complained about it during playtesting for one reason or another.

Some classical era levant civilization (ISTR assyrians) had a buckler-sized shield that strapped to the forearm, and their archers are often portrayed shooting with it on the bow arm.

I've drawn a bow with my targe on the bow hand; it limited my ability to sight, but didn't actually prevent holding it. The targe traditionally has a pair of straps rather than a buckler's single handle. It would be possible to have it on the draw hand, instead, but then you'd conk yourself with it when doing an over the shoulder draw from the quiver...
 

Some classical era levant civilization (ISTR assyrians) had a buckler-sized shield that strapped to the forearm, and their archers are often portrayed shooting with it on the bow arm.

I've drawn a bow with my targe on the bow hand; it limited my ability to sight, but didn't actually prevent holding it. The targe traditionally has a pair of straps rather than a buckler's single handle. It would be possible to have it on the draw hand, instead, but then you'd conk yourself with it when doing an over the shoulder draw from the quiver...

when i think of a buckler i think of something you use in your hand. anything that straps to your forearm would have to be big enough to at least cover your wrist, and by that point i think it's a shield.
 

when i think of a buckler i think of something you use in your hand. anything that straps to your forearm would have to be big enough to at least cover your wrist, and by that point i think it's a shield.

No, it wouldn't have to cover the wrist. It can be stablized in one of several ways.
One, is to affix it to a gauntlet/glove. It then moves as the hand does.
The second is to have it back far enough to cover the elbow, using the upper arm to stabilize it.
The third is simply to strap it tightly to a vambrace. Less comfortable.
It can extend past the wrist, and have the second (or third) strap be across the palm, like is done with a targe.

From inside of elbow to crease of wrist, my forearm measures 9" or so.
My 12" targe doesn't protect my elbow, which means I cannot use standard shield techniques with it; when worn, it's about 1/2" past my knuckles, and as padded, if I extend my fingers, the rim just touches my 1st knuckle on each finger.
I can use only slightly modified buckler techniques with my targe.

Now, I've used 10" & 15" leather bucklers, and 15" steel bucklers, as well as full (2.5x3') heater and 3'x3' lozenge, a 24" viking round, as well as a my 12", and others' 24", 30" and 36" targes in various SCA and reenactment activities. A small targe doesn't work like a large one. Unless it covers wrist and elbow, many of the shield techniques simply do not work well, and the passive protection simply isn't enough to equal a full sized shield, either.

A small targe is neither shield nor buckler, but somewhere in between; it's a parrying tool, more than a blocking tool. More agile than a full sized shield, and more firmly strapped on than the hand-held-only buckler.
 

And here *I* thought archery was what a buckler was for. Buckled to your forearm, hence, "buckler". Draw arrows from your leg instead of your back.
 

Nope, the buckler was never used for Archers , that is a fantasy and D&D concept not a historical one. The buckler was held by your hand, never strapped to your forearm. Do google search for buckler, for a real view of what a buckler really was.
 

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