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<blockquote data-quote="James Gasik" data-source="post: 9340116" data-attributes="member: 6877472"><p>It's strange, ever since 3.5 have a prestige class that expanded bard casting to level 9 (I think it was the Sublime Chord, but I don't know for sure), I wanted a 9 level caster that focused on music and I'd be happy to lose some of the Bard's skill stuff and second tier combat to get it.</p><p></p><p>5e comes out with a 9 level caster bard and the only thing they really lost that I cared about is the Inspire Courage group buff, which took a few levels or optimization to really make a huge difference anyways, and yet, it's been 10 years now and I've yet to actually play a Bard. I love the class, been playing Bards since 2e, my 4e Bard is one of my favorite characters...but...</p><p></p><p>I've seen them played a lot, they seem to do a lot of cool stuff, and can even poach spells from other classes, and yet, when it's time to make a character I look at Bard and go "nah". The subclasses never excite me.</p><p></p><p>For the life of me, I don't know what's wrong, on paper it seems like a powerhouse. Maybe the idea of throwing dice around and patiently having to remind people about them is the issue, but no, there's subclasses where you use them for yourself!</p><p></p><p>I keep hoping the new Bard will be fantastic, but I couldn't for the life of me say what I'd want them to do differently. Heck, I'm not sure what other people would really want, even after following this thread (beyond the people who want them to lose their full casting, but I think that's just wanting to dial back 5e's magic a bit- these might be the same people who want a spell-less Ranger for all I know).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="James Gasik, post: 9340116, member: 6877472"] It's strange, ever since 3.5 have a prestige class that expanded bard casting to level 9 (I think it was the Sublime Chord, but I don't know for sure), I wanted a 9 level caster that focused on music and I'd be happy to lose some of the Bard's skill stuff and second tier combat to get it. 5e comes out with a 9 level caster bard and the only thing they really lost that I cared about is the Inspire Courage group buff, which took a few levels or optimization to really make a huge difference anyways, and yet, it's been 10 years now and I've yet to actually play a Bard. I love the class, been playing Bards since 2e, my 4e Bard is one of my favorite characters...but... I've seen them played a lot, they seem to do a lot of cool stuff, and can even poach spells from other classes, and yet, when it's time to make a character I look at Bard and go "nah". The subclasses never excite me. For the life of me, I don't know what's wrong, on paper it seems like a powerhouse. Maybe the idea of throwing dice around and patiently having to remind people about them is the issue, but no, there's subclasses where you use them for yourself! I keep hoping the new Bard will be fantastic, but I couldn't for the life of me say what I'd want them to do differently. Heck, I'm not sure what other people would really want, even after following this thread (beyond the people who want them to lose their full casting, but I think that's just wanting to dial back 5e's magic a bit- these might be the same people who want a spell-less Ranger for all I know). [/QUOTE]
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