Another blinking blink question -- grappling

[RichGreen]

Hi,

If a rogue is under the effects of blink from a ring of blinking , and has been grabbed by a grappling monster, does the fact that the rogue is constantly switching back and from from the material to the ethereal plane allow the rogue to escape the grapple automatically or more easily? The player argued the former and I ruled that her escape artist check was at +4.

Any opinions gratefully received!

Cheers


Richard

 

[Diirk]

Given that said rogue can walk through walls, its not really a stretch to say they can escape the grapple simply by moving (5 foot step, or normal move, whatever) away from the monster in question.

PS. This is different from the pricier (ring-wise) freedom of movement in that you aren't immune to grapples, but you would escape them automatically on your turn.. however constrict damage etc would still be applied once, and other drawbacks (assuming the monster rolls the percentile necessary to even hit you in the first place). Also other things that freedom of movement prevents like paralysis will still work on a blinking person.

 

[Thanee]

It should be obvious enough that it is impossible to restrain someone who is blinking with grappling (unless you can touch material and etheral creatures, that is).

So escape would simply be automatic.

Bye
Thanee

 

[kjenks]

Contingency spell: "If I get grappled or grabbed, cast Blink."

 

[Taren Seeker]

And what if someone blinking tried to grapple a target?

Also, in the initial scenario would the blinker be considered grappled until his turn? I don't think that's right. Any time the blinker is attacked it is assumed that he might be etherial so miss chance is rolled. He doesn't just blink on his turn.

The way I've run it: grappler makes his miss chance, gets a grapple, then can do damage once. If he has multiple grapples he has to roll the miss chance for each grapple check. If he makes it through his entire action and makes all miss chances then he's applied all his grapple damage/effects. After that the binker is automatically free, but might be prone or somesuch depending on what the grappler did.

I would run it the same way in reverse where the grappler is blinking, just with a lower miss chance.

Heh I just remembered an OLD arguement on these boards...if the grappler has a mage armor cast or bracers of armor, how would it affect this scenario?

 

[Sithobi1]

Those magical effects would not affect the scenario at all; Force effects travel from the material plane to the ethereal, but not vice versa, IIRC.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Those magical effects would not affect the scenario at all; Force effects travel from the material plane to the ethereal, but not vice versa, IIRC.

YRC.

However:

It could still be an issue when the blinker tried to grapple the Mage Armored material non-blinker, since when the blinker turned ethereal, he'd still interact with the material Mage Armor.

But I think Taren Seeker's point is that if the material Mage Armored grappler grapples the blinking target, then when the blinker goes Ethereal, the grappler's arms are covered in a Force Effect which can, in theory, reach the blinker on the Ethereal Plane.

Both scenarios rely on the non-blinker, not the blinker, being Mage Armored.

-Hyp.

 

[Caliban]

Where does it state that the mage armor covers your arms and hands? It only gives the same AC as a chain shirt after all.

And if it did let you grapple, why wouldn't it let you hit an incorporeal foe with an unarmed attack? Do you really think the spell is intended to give the effect of Ghost Touch for unarmed attacks and grappling?

 

[Hypersmurf]

Where does it state that the mage armor covers your arms and hands? It only gives the same AC as a chain shirt after all.

And if it did let you grapple, why wouldn't it let you hit an incorporeal foe with an unarmed attack? Do you really think the spell is intended to give the effect of Ghost Touch for unarmed attacks and grappling?

Which is why I'm not taking a position on this one Just clarifying the argument for Sithobi1.

-Hyp.

 

[RichGreen]

Hi Diirk, Thanee, kjenks,

Thanks for your answers! Makes sense.

Don't think I need to worry about the mage armoured blinker yet!


Cheers


Richard