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<blockquote data-quote="Cleon" data-source="post: 8839034" data-attributes="member: 57383"><p>Okay, the CR Calculator says the above is Challenge 7 with 45 DPR.</p><p></p><p>How about adding Abyssal to the languages?</p><p></p><p>Instead of bite/quarterstaff plus a bolt <em><strong>Multiattack</strong></em>, I'm thinking we should go bite AND weapon for the <em><strong>Multiattack</strong></em> and separate out the bolt.</p><p></p><p>Also I'm tempted to make the weapon something a bit more interesting than a staff. Perhaps a flail since that's Yeenoghu's token?</p><p></p><p>I'd be inclined to fiddle the Multiattack DPR so it's around 45.</p><p></p><p>Let's see, a bog standard approach would be…</p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><em><strong>Multiattack.</strong></em> The beast shaman makes three attacks: one with its bite and two with its flail.</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><em><strong>Bite.</strong> Melee Weapon Attack:</em> +5 to hit, reach 5 ft., one target. <em>Hit:</em> 4 (1d4 + 2) piercing damage.</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><em><strong>Flail.</strong> Melee Weapon Attack:</em> +5 to hit, reach 5 ft., one target. <em>Hit:</em> 6 (1d8 + 2) bludgeoning damage.</p><p></p><p>That's only 17.5 DPR though, so we need anouther 27.5 to hit 45 DPR. Spirit Strike is worth 7 necrotic damage which leaves 20.5 or so. If we add the Brute trait for an extra dice and toss on a proficiency bonus to the damage…</p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><em><strong>Brute.</strong></em> A melee weapon deals one extra die of its damage when the beast shaman hits with it (included in the attack).</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><em><strong>Multiattack.</strong></em> The beast shaman makes three attacks: one with its bite and two with its flail.</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><em><strong>Bite.</strong> Melee Weapon Attack:</em> +5 to hit, reach 5 ft., one target. <em>Hit:</em> 10 (2d4 + 5) piercing damage.</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><em><strong>Flail.</strong> Melee Weapon Attack:</em> +5 to hit, reach 5 ft., one target. <em>Hit:</em> 14 (2d8 + 5) bludgeoning damage.</p><p></p><p>That's 38 DPR. Add another 7 for the Spirit Strike is 45.</p><p></p><p>There's a <em>slight</em> issue that its <em><strong>Bolt</strong></em> attack does a point more DPR than the above Multiattack.</p><p></p><p>I'd rather it either do slightly less damage or have a "cooldown" (i.e. a Recharge number) so it's not the optimal attack each round. Maybe 35 (10d6) or the current 39 (6d12) with <em><strong>Bolt (Recharge 4-6)</strong></em>?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cleon, post: 8839034, member: 57383"] Okay, the CR Calculator says the above is Challenge 7 with 45 DPR. How about adding Abyssal to the languages? Instead of bite/quarterstaff plus a bolt [I][B]Multiattack[/B][/I], I'm thinking we should go bite AND weapon for the [I][B]Multiattack[/B][/I] and separate out the bolt. Also I'm tempted to make the weapon something a bit more interesting than a staff. Perhaps a flail since that's Yeenoghu's token? I'd be inclined to fiddle the Multiattack DPR so it's around 45. Let's see, a bog standard approach would be… [INDENT][I][B]Multiattack.[/B][/I] The beast shaman makes three attacks: one with its bite and two with its flail.[/INDENT] [INDENT][/INDENT] [INDENT][I][B]Bite.[/B] Melee Weapon Attack:[/I] +5 to hit, reach 5 ft., one target. [I]Hit:[/I] 4 (1d4 + 2) piercing damage.[/INDENT] [INDENT][/INDENT] [INDENT][I][B]Flail.[/B] Melee Weapon Attack:[/I] +5 to hit, reach 5 ft., one target. [I]Hit:[/I] 6 (1d8 + 2) bludgeoning damage.[/INDENT] That's only 17.5 DPR though, so we need anouther 27.5 to hit 45 DPR. Spirit Strike is worth 7 necrotic damage which leaves 20.5 or so. If we add the Brute trait for an extra dice and toss on a proficiency bonus to the damage… [INDENT][I][B]Brute.[/B][/I] A melee weapon deals one extra die of its damage when the beast shaman hits with it (included in the attack).[/INDENT] [INDENT][/INDENT] [INDENT][I][B]Multiattack.[/B][/I] The beast shaman makes three attacks: one with its bite and two with its flail.[/INDENT] [INDENT][/INDENT] [INDENT][I][B]Bite.[/B] Melee Weapon Attack:[/I] +5 to hit, reach 5 ft., one target. [I]Hit:[/I] 10 (2d4 + 5) piercing damage.[/INDENT] [INDENT][/INDENT] [INDENT][I][B]Flail.[/B] Melee Weapon Attack:[/I] +5 to hit, reach 5 ft., one target. [I]Hit:[/I] 14 (2d8 + 5) bludgeoning damage.[/INDENT] That's 38 DPR. Add another 7 for the Spirit Strike is 45. There's a [I]slight[/I] issue that its [I][B]Bolt[/B][/I] attack does a point more DPR than the above Multiattack. I'd rather it either do slightly less damage or have a "cooldown" (i.e. a Recharge number) so it's not the optimal attack each round. Maybe 35 (10d6) or the current 39 (6d12) with [I][B]Bolt (Recharge 4-6)[/B][/I]? [/QUOTE]
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