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<blockquote data-quote="Cleon" data-source="post: 8687518" data-attributes="member: 57383"><p>Yes, that could work. We can increase the Tail / Breath Weapon / Trample Damage slightly to get the increase to the DPR.</p><p></p><p>Let's see…</p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong><span style="font-size: 18px">Damage #2 ("average" DPR for Challenge 20)</span></strong></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>Round 1 (62 average): <em>Trampling Charge</em></strong> Gore [31 (4d10+9)] plus Stomp [31 (4d10+9)]</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>Round 2 (50½ average): <em>Multiattack</em></strong> Gore [31 (4d10+9)] plus Tail or Trunk (19½?)</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>Round 3 (51 average):</strong> Breath Weapon (25½×2 AoE?) or Trample Path (25½×2 AoE?)</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>Legendary Actions (+25½ DPR):</strong> [8½ damage per Action?]</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>=></strong></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>⅓(62+50½+51) + 25½ = 54½+25½ = 80 DPR</strong></p><p></p><p>According to the CR Calculator, we can go up to 86 DPR, so we could increase the Legendary Actions damage by 2 per action (i.e. 3d6 damage for single action). without spilling into CR 21 territory:</p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong><span style="font-size: 18px">Damage #3 (Challenge 20 with DPR maxed)</span></strong></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>Round 1 (62 average): <em>Trampling Charge</em></strong> Gore [31 (4d10+9)] plus Stomp [31 (4d10+9)]</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>Round 2 (50½ average): <em>Multiattack</em></strong> Gore [31 (4d10+9)] plus Tail or Trunk (19½?)</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>Round 3 (51 average):</strong> Breath Weapon (25½ AoE?) or Trample Path (25½ AoE?)</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>Legendary Actions (+31½ DPR):</strong> [10½ damage per Action?]</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>=></strong></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>⅓(62+50½+51) + 31½ = 54½+31½ = 86 DPR</strong></p><p></p><p>or not go all the way to the max DPR and divide the extra points between the Legendaries and Round #2 and #3 a bit, say:</p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong><span style="font-size: 18px">Damage #4 (Challenge 20 just shy of max DPR)</span></strong></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>Round 1 (62 average): <em>Trampling Charge</em></strong> Gore [31 (4d10+9)] plus Stomp [31 (4d10+9)]</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>Round 2 (52 average): <em>Multiattack</em></strong> Gore [31 (4d10+9)] plus Tail or Trunk (21?)</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>Round 3 (54 average):</strong> Breath Weapon (27 AoE?) or Trample Path (27 AoE?)</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>Legendary Actions (+27 DPR):</strong> [9 damage per Action?]</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>=></strong></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>⅓(62+52+54) + 27 = 56+27 = 83 DPR</strong></p><p></p><p>Or we can bump up the offensive abilities another notch and make it <strong>Challenge</strong> 21, which would allow a DPR of 87 to 92.</p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong><span style="font-size: 18px">Damage #5 (Challenge 21 with average DPR)</span></strong></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>Round 1 (62 average): <em>Trampling Charge</em></strong> Gore [31 (4d10+9)] plus Stomp [31 (4d10+9)]</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>Round 2 (50½ average): <em>Multiattack</em></strong> Gore [31 (4d10+9)] plus Tail or Trunk (19½?)</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>Round 3 (63 average):</strong> Breath Weapon (31½ AoE?) or Trample Path (31½ AoE?)</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>Legendary Actions (+31½ DPR):</strong> [10½ damage per Action?]</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>=></strong></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>⅓(62+50½+63) + 31½ = 58½+31½ = 90 DPR</strong></p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong><span style="font-size: 18px">Damage #6 (Challenge 21, average DPR with Triple Multiattack)</span></strong></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>Round 1 (62 average): <em>Trampling Charge</em></strong> Gore [31 (4d10+9)] plus Stomp [31 (4d10+9)]</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>Round 2 (64 average): <em>Multiattack</em></strong> Gore [31 (4d10+9)] plus Tail (16½?) plus Trunk (16½?)</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>Round 3 (63 average):</strong> Breath Weapon (31½ AoE?) or Trample Path (31½ AoE?)</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>Legendary Actions (+27 DPR):</strong> [9½ damage per Action?]</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>=></strong></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>⅓(62+64+63) + 27 = 63+27 = 90 DPR</strong></p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong><span style="font-size: 18px">Damage #7 (Challenge 21 with DPR maxed)</span></strong></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>Round 1 (62 average): <em>Trampling Charge</em></strong> Gore [31 (4d10+9)] plus Stomp [31 (4d10+9)]</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>Round 2 (56½ average): <em>Multiattack</em></strong> Gore [31 (4d10+9)] plus Tail or Trunk [25½?]</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>Round 3 (63 average):</strong> Breath Weapon [31½ (7d8) AoE?] or Trample Path [31½ (5d8+9)? AoE]</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>Legendary Actions (+31½ DPR):</strong> [10½ damage per Action?]</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>=></strong></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>⅓(62+56½+63) + 31½ = 60½+31½ = 92 DPR</strong></p><p></p><p>What's your preference?</p><p></p><p>It would easier just setting what damage it does and find out what <strong>Challenge Rating</strong> comes out from that rather than doing it backwards with a target CR.</p><p></p><p>It's no big deal if the <strong>Challenge</strong> goes further up into the 20s, it is supposed to be an Epic Monster, after all!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cleon, post: 8687518, member: 57383"] Yes, that could work. We can increase the Tail / Breath Weapon / Trample Damage slightly to get the increase to the DPR. Let's see… [INDENT][B][SIZE=5]Damage #2 ("average" DPR for Challenge 20)[/SIZE][/B][/INDENT] [INDENT][B]Round 1 (62 average): [I]Trampling Charge[/I][/B] Gore [31 (4d10+9)] plus Stomp [31 (4d10+9)][/INDENT] [INDENT][B]Round 2 (50½ average): [I]Multiattack[/I][/B] Gore [31 (4d10+9)] plus Tail or Trunk (19½?)[/INDENT] [INDENT][B]Round 3 (51 average):[/B] Breath Weapon (25½×2 AoE?) or Trample Path (25½×2 AoE?)[/INDENT] [INDENT][B]Legendary Actions (+25½ DPR):[/B] [8½ damage per Action?][/INDENT] [INDENT][B]=>[/B][/INDENT] [INDENT][B]⅓(62+50½+51) + 25½ = 54½+25½ = 80 DPR[/B][/INDENT] According to the CR Calculator, we can go up to 86 DPR, so we could increase the Legendary Actions damage by 2 per action (i.e. 3d6 damage for single action). without spilling into CR 21 territory: [INDENT][B][SIZE=5]Damage #3 (Challenge 20 with DPR maxed)[/SIZE][/B][/INDENT] [INDENT][B]Round 1 (62 average): [I]Trampling Charge[/I][/B] Gore [31 (4d10+9)] plus Stomp [31 (4d10+9)][/INDENT] [INDENT][B]Round 2 (50½ average): [I]Multiattack[/I][/B] Gore [31 (4d10+9)] plus Tail or Trunk (19½?)[/INDENT] [INDENT][B]Round 3 (51 average):[/B] Breath Weapon (25½ AoE?) or Trample Path (25½ AoE?)[/INDENT] [INDENT][B]Legendary Actions (+31½ DPR):[/B] [10½ damage per Action?][/INDENT] [INDENT][B]=>[/B][/INDENT] [INDENT][B]⅓(62+50½+51) + 31½ = 54½+31½ = 86 DPR[/B][/INDENT] or not go all the way to the max DPR and divide the extra points between the Legendaries and Round #2 and #3 a bit, say: [INDENT][B][SIZE=5]Damage #4 (Challenge 20 just shy of max DPR)[/SIZE][/B][/INDENT] [INDENT][B]Round 1 (62 average): [I]Trampling Charge[/I][/B] Gore [31 (4d10+9)] plus Stomp [31 (4d10+9)][/INDENT] [INDENT][B]Round 2 (52 average): [I]Multiattack[/I][/B] Gore [31 (4d10+9)] plus Tail or Trunk (21?)[/INDENT] [INDENT][B]Round 3 (54 average):[/B] Breath Weapon (27 AoE?) or Trample Path (27 AoE?)[/INDENT] [INDENT][B]Legendary Actions (+27 DPR):[/B] [9 damage per Action?][/INDENT] [INDENT][B]=>[/B][/INDENT] [INDENT][B]⅓(62+52+54) + 27 = 56+27 = 83 DPR[/B][/INDENT] Or we can bump up the offensive abilities another notch and make it [B]Challenge[/B] 21, which would allow a DPR of 87 to 92. [INDENT][B][SIZE=5]Damage #5 (Challenge 21 with average DPR)[/SIZE][/B][/INDENT] [INDENT][B]Round 1 (62 average): [I]Trampling Charge[/I][/B] Gore [31 (4d10+9)] plus Stomp [31 (4d10+9)][/INDENT] [INDENT][B]Round 2 (50½ average): [I]Multiattack[/I][/B] Gore [31 (4d10+9)] plus Tail or Trunk (19½?)[/INDENT] [INDENT][B]Round 3 (63 average):[/B] Breath Weapon (31½ AoE?) or Trample Path (31½ AoE?)[/INDENT] [INDENT][B]Legendary Actions (+31½ DPR):[/B] [10½ damage per Action?][/INDENT] [INDENT][B]=>[/B][/INDENT] [INDENT][B]⅓(62+50½+63) + 31½ = 58½+31½ = 90 DPR[/B][/INDENT] [INDENT][B][SIZE=5]Damage #6 (Challenge 21, average DPR with Triple Multiattack)[/SIZE][/B][/INDENT] [INDENT][B]Round 1 (62 average): [I]Trampling Charge[/I][/B] Gore [31 (4d10+9)] plus Stomp [31 (4d10+9)][/INDENT] [INDENT][B]Round 2 (64 average): [I]Multiattack[/I][/B] Gore [31 (4d10+9)] plus Tail (16½?) plus Trunk (16½?)[/INDENT] [INDENT][B]Round 3 (63 average):[/B] Breath Weapon (31½ AoE?) or Trample Path (31½ AoE?)[/INDENT] [INDENT][B]Legendary Actions (+27 DPR):[/B] [9½ damage per Action?][/INDENT] [INDENT][B]=>[/B][/INDENT] [INDENT][B]⅓(62+64+63) + 27 = 63+27 = 90 DPR[/B][/INDENT] [INDENT][B][SIZE=5]Damage #7 (Challenge 21 with DPR maxed)[/SIZE][/B][/INDENT] [INDENT][B]Round 1 (62 average): [I]Trampling Charge[/I][/B] Gore [31 (4d10+9)] plus Stomp [31 (4d10+9)][/INDENT] [INDENT][B]Round 2 (56½ average): [I]Multiattack[/I][/B] Gore [31 (4d10+9)] plus Tail or Trunk [25½?][/INDENT] [INDENT][B]Round 3 (63 average):[/B] Breath Weapon [31½ (7d8) AoE?] or Trample Path [31½ (5d8+9)? AoE][/INDENT] [INDENT][B]Legendary Actions (+31½ DPR):[/B] [10½ damage per Action?][/INDENT] [INDENT][B]=>[/B][/INDENT] [INDENT][B]⅓(62+56½+63) + 31½ = 60½+31½ = 92 DPR[/B][/INDENT] What's your preference? It would easier just setting what damage it does and find out what [B]Challenge Rating[/B] comes out from that rather than doing it backwards with a target CR. It's no big deal if the [B]Challenge[/B] goes further up into the 20s, it is supposed to be an Epic Monster, after all! [/QUOTE]
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