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'And therefore it must be the best game, or even good' is the other one.

I think you may be conflating rules that evoke a setting with rules that simulate a setting. The NPCs in Burning Wheel do not actually follow the lifepaths in their own lives and know how they work. The non-powered NPCs in superhero comics do not find that karma, doom pools, minions etc are...

OK, but that still isn't the limit of available RPGs.

I don't know, but you do it regularly. The point is, you made a blanket statement about RPGs, that is only true about the RPGs you prefer. If you don't want to talk about them, or to have people point out your error, don't make such broad statements.

Any definition of cooking, that isn't a definition of cooking, isn't a definition of cooking.

Sure but this thread and all threads on ENWorld are not about your preferences. It is false for RPGs in general.

I put some of the things said in this thread into ENWorld's AI superbrain and it said '502 Bad Gateway'

So saying players might be self-interested consciously or unconsciously is normal, but saying that GMs might be is adversarial? What happens when a player becomes the GM, or the GM becomes a player? No they don't. There are many games for which this is absolutely false.

OK. I tease you sometimes but I've had enough real discussions with you to give you a proper answer. The rules structure discussed inherently gives the GM an authority over what a success 'means'. If I roll to persuade someone of something, and I succeed, and there are no degrees of success...

No it doesn't

My experience differs

Your games may involve players passively consuming what they are given, but mine do not.

How is it flexible for players - do they get to interpret the levels of success for the roll themselves? No, I'm Renley on this. Multiple amorphous levels of success means the GM has too much ability to downgrade successful rolls into 'nearly, but not quite'.

Wait what? 4e was very rewarding of skillful play, and punishing of bad play. I would say more so than in 3e (where the mastery was in chargen). I have never before felt that Gamist thrill of 'each decision matters' so strongly in an RPG. Some of our combats reminded me of tournament Magic...

The point of GURPS is to kill spiders.

Too right it's silly. English people don't talk about baseball! Make it basketball and I'd believe you

It's to follow the time-honoured instructions of the ancient cooks, see the fat of the steak with your own two eyes, and inhale the verisimilitude of the potatoes.

The Bible

When you think about it, movie Skynet was a dating app. 'We will search the timelines to find the person you're destined to be with'

You said in the other thread you don't think play is a priority and that RPGs are designed just to be read.