D&D 5E Convince me that the Ranger is a necessary Class.

Horwath · May 20, 2024

Minigiant said:
Really the only class that doesn't need to exist in the core is the Monk.

Once you cut out the Orientalism, the Monk is 2 fighting styles: Martial Arts and Ki Discipline.

I played High elven shadow monk as Royal guard of Evereska that is trained to be ready for combat always, that is unarmed and unarmored, and when you remove orientalism flavor from the monk you still get stuck with worse class in PHB, haha!

Emberashh · May 20, 2024

Vaalingrade said:
He said, hurling his thoughts across the planet on invisible beams from his box filled with lightning.

I mean yeah, thanks for proving the point.

Shardstone · May 20, 2024

So yeah, in 5E, anything that is an uncanny or supernatural spell is either a spell or a "Special Feature" (which is a spell in a trench coat). So, Aragorn literally recalling a woman whose body is hard with rigor mortis back from the Valley of Death via force of will is, in 5E, a spell.

Now that we're done wasting time with this completely inane and fruitless tangent, we can get back to the real meat of the matter: what would an AI trained exclusively on Gary Gygax's written communications say about the Ranger?

Emberashh · May 20, 2024

Shardstone said:
So yeah, in 5E, anything that is an uncanny or supernatural spell is either a spell or a "Special Feature" (which is a spell in a trench coat). So, Aragorn literally recalling a woman whose body is hard with rigor mortis back from the Valley of Death via force of will is, in 5E, a spell.

Now that we're done wasting time with this completely inane and fruitless tangent, we can get back to the real meat of the matter: what would an AI trained exclusively on Gary Gygax's written communications say about the Ranger?

It is fascinating how nobody really wants to acknowledge that may be how 5e does things is bad and is part and parcel to why this topic even exists.

If you want to talk about justifying the Ranger, you can't stick your fingers in your ears and refuse to address how 5e works and how that makes answering that question harder.

Shardstone · May 20, 2024

Emberashh said:
It is fascinating how nobody really wants to acknowledge that may be how 5e does things is bad and is part and parcel to why this topic even exists.

If you want to talk about justifying the Ranger, you can't stick your fingers in your ears and refuse to address how 5e works and how that makes answering that question harder.

I'm not sure if "bad" is the descriptor I would use. It isn't always to my tastes either, but bad it certainly isn't. Now, do I let myself remain shackled to the paradigms of the 2014 PHB? No. I, like most DMs of quality, am able to design, mold, and reshape the game as I see fit to suit whatever fantasy or expression of fantasy I want to deploy. From making original magic systems to changing how spells are cast, I am capable and have indeed done all of this in many different ways for many different games, often drawing on other rulesets to enhance my own work.

So, it's not that I'm sticking my fingers in my ears, it's that I do not care about your complaint, I do not care that you think its bad, and while I think it is interesting to discuss the limitations of 5E's methods, I have no interest in getting into a debate on objectivity with someone who has absolutely no interest in changing their mind and is only interested in being right.

Emberashh · May 20, 2024

Shardstone said:
it's that I do not care about your complaint

Yet, you seem very keen on trying to squash the view point instead of, I don't know, ignoring it.

Shardstone said:
I have no interest in getting into a debate on objectivity with someone who has absolutely no interest in changing their mind and is only interested in being right.

Do you expect someone to change their mind when your only substantive response to them has been to shut up?

Stormonu · May 20, 2024

Late to the party, but wanted to throw in my 2 cents.
As others have said, no class is "required", but they do cover several fantasy tropes worth keeping them around. The problem has been that since 2nd edition, they have slowly been losing their identity.

I took a long, hard look at them back from 1E. Rather than solely concentrating on Aragorn and the Beastmaster, I focused on an aspect I think they lost - as WW2 combat specialists. So, this is my take (with some peculiarities for my homebrew rules).

Basically, this removes the Ranger's spells and turns them into a specialist battlemaster. They get some of the damage spike of the paladin with their special ranger-only maneuvers. There is an option for a subclass that does cast spells as well, and a version that works with animal companions. As well as a few new takes.

Shardstone · May 20, 2024

Emberashh said:
Yet, you seem very keen on trying to squash the view point instead of, I don't know, ignoring it.

Do you expect someone to change their mind when your only substantive response to them has been to shut up?

No one is squashing anything. Let me speak in more plain terms.

I really think you're a smart person and I like your thoughts, but you seem hellbent on presenting them in a way that I personally find abrasive, and I don't think you care, so I don't really see a way to actually communicate to you, because all I get back is passive-aggressiveness.

Vaalingrade · May 20, 2024

Emberashh said:
I mean yeah, thanks for proving the point.

That's not what I did, terrifying Far Writing Wizard.

Remathilis · May 20, 2024

Umbran said:
The quote comes from Arthur C. Clarke. He was an assistant editor of Physics Abstracts, and president of the British Interplanetary Society. His book, The Exploration of Space, was used to help convince Kennedy that humans could go to the Moon. As one of the most influential science and science fiction writers of his time, in 2000, he was made a Knight Bachelor by the British Crown for his services to literature. His record of personal intellectual achievement, and work on advancement of science is pretty unimpeachable.

Maybe watch who you call an, "ignorant hole person."

Ah crap. I remembered the quote and incorrectly cited the speaker. Clarke, not Asimov.

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