Casimir Liber
Adventurer
Ok - changing percep to 11
been a bit slow on teh mummies - will do soon and yes!
And def a greater/bull allosaurus.
been a bit slow on teh mummies - will do soon and yes!
And def a greater/bull allosaurus.
Crocodile mummies
Cleon
Legend
Give me the D&D Beyond link once you're done and I'll update the 5th Edition Monster Index.
No hurry!
I'll post a Working Draft.
We need to decide on the Challenge. I'm thinking either 4 or 4, so its midway between the CR 2 Allosaurus and the CR 8 Tyrannosaurus rex.
Cleon
Legend
Dinosaur—Allosaurus, Greater
Huge beast, unaligned
Armor Class 13 (natural armor)
Hit Points 85 (9d12 + 27)
Speed 60 ft.
Skills Perception +5
Senses passive Perception 15
Languages —
Challenge 4 (1,100 XP) Proficiency Bonus +2
Pounce. If the allosaurus moves at least 30 feet straight toward a creature and then hits it with a claw attack on the same turn, that target must succeed on a DC 15 Strength saving throw or be knocked prone. If the target is prone, the allosaurus can make one bite attack against it as a bonus action.
Actions
Bite. Melee Weapon Attack: +8 to hit, reach 5 ft., one target. Hit: 22 (3d10 + 6) piercing damage.
Claw. Melee Weapon Attack: +8 to hit, reach 5 ft., one target. Hit: 13 (2d6 + 6) slashing damage.
Description
An allosaurus of unusual size, over 30 feet in length and weighing a couple of tons or more. Like other allosaurs, they sometimes travel in pairs of mates or siblings. If there is only one greater allosaurus in a mated pair, it is often a female as these grow larger than males.
Carnivorous Mobs. A greater allosaurus may be accompanied by one or more normal allosaurus (see page 79 of the Monster Manual). These smaller dinosaurs may be its mate or offspring of the greater allosaurus, but can be unrelated individuals that hang around them. Such groups do not hunt as a cooperative pack but will gang up injured animals like a school of sharks. Once they have made a kill, the most powerful allosaurus in the group feasts first, followed by the smaller and less powerful members. Vicious but short-lived squabbles often break out over this feeding hierarchy.
(Original monster designed by Casimir Liber and Cleon on the Creature Catalog Monster Homebrews forum)
Huge beast, unaligned
Armor Class 13 (natural armor)
Hit Points 85 (9d12 + 27)
Speed 60 ft.
STR | DEX | CON | INT | WIS | CHA |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
23 (+6) | 13 (+1) | 17 (+3) | 2 (–4) | 12 (+1) | 5 (–3) |
Skills Perception +5
Senses passive Perception 15
Languages —
Challenge 4 (1,100 XP) Proficiency Bonus +2
Pounce. If the allosaurus moves at least 30 feet straight toward a creature and then hits it with a claw attack on the same turn, that target must succeed on a DC 15 Strength saving throw or be knocked prone. If the target is prone, the allosaurus can make one bite attack against it as a bonus action.
Actions
Bite. Melee Weapon Attack: +8 to hit, reach 5 ft., one target. Hit: 22 (3d10 + 6) piercing damage.
Claw. Melee Weapon Attack: +8 to hit, reach 5 ft., one target. Hit: 13 (2d6 + 6) slashing damage.
Description
An allosaurus of unusual size, over 30 feet in length and weighing a couple of tons or more. Like other allosaurs, they sometimes travel in pairs of mates or siblings. If there is only one greater allosaurus in a mated pair, it is often a female as these grow larger than males.
Carnivorous Mobs. A greater allosaurus may be accompanied by one or more normal allosaurus (see page 79 of the Monster Manual). These smaller dinosaurs may be its mate or offspring of the greater allosaurus, but can be unrelated individuals that hang around them. Such groups do not hunt as a cooperative pack but will gang up injured animals like a school of sharks. Once they have made a kill, the most powerful allosaurus in the group feasts first, followed by the smaller and less powerful members. Vicious but short-lived squabbles often break out over this feeding hierarchy.
(Original monster designed by Casimir Liber and Cleon on the Creature Catalog Monster Homebrews forum)
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Cleon
Legend
Okay, the above placeholder mostly just has the standard Allosaurus stats in it.
There's quite a difference between Challenge 4 and Challenge 5 as the latter has a +3 Proficiency Bonus.
I'm currently leaning towards STR 23 (+6), DEX 13 (+1), CON 17 (+3) and Challenge 4 (XP 1,100).
Increase the attacks to, say Bite +8 to hit, 22 (3d10 + 6) slashing and Claw +8 to hit, 13 (2d6 + 6) slashing.
That averages 26.833 DPR (assuming it Pounces every three rounds).
According to the CR Calculator it'd need between 8 and 10 HD to hit CR 4, so I'd aim midway to Hit Points 85 (9d12 + 27).
…and that's all it takes!
There's quite a difference between Challenge 4 and Challenge 5 as the latter has a +3 Proficiency Bonus.
I'm currently leaning towards STR 23 (+6), DEX 13 (+1), CON 17 (+3) and Challenge 4 (XP 1,100).
Increase the attacks to, say Bite +8 to hit, 22 (3d10 + 6) slashing and Claw +8 to hit, 13 (2d6 + 6) slashing.
That averages 26.833 DPR (assuming it Pounces every three rounds).
According to the CR Calculator it'd need between 8 and 10 HD to hit CR 4, so I'd aim midway to Hit Points 85 (9d12 + 27).
…and that's all it takes!
Cleon
Legend
I thought about lowering the DEX to 11 (+0) but decided I preferred it to be as agile as the regular version, which probably isn't that much smaller.
A Greater Allosaurus is probably in the region of 4,000 to 5,000 pounds and over 30 feet long.
The standard Allosaurus is likely about half that weight (1,500 to 2,500 pounds) and around 25 feet. That seems reasonable for an "average sized" Allosaur, representing a large subadult or a small but fully mature individual. It's roughly the weight of a Polar Bear, whose Challenge Rating 2 matches the 5E Allosaurus.
A big adult Allosaurus fragilis would have weighed a couple of tons, so should be a more formidable adversary than a polar bear, but that's why we're doing this Homebrew!
Casimir Liber
Adventurer
fasolasuchus now here
I would have leaned to CR 5 to get that extra +1 to hit chomp....but if you feel better at CR 4 and it all "fits" then that is fine. Happy to duplicate once yr happy. Agree about same dex
I can't fix header of thread tho
croc mummy - will do others later as need to sleep
I would have leaned to CR 5 to get that extra +1 to hit chomp....but if you feel better at CR 4 and it all "fits" then that is fine. Happy to duplicate once yr happy. Agree about same dex
I can't fix header of thread tho
croc mummy - will do others later as need to sleep
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Cleon
Legend
That looks fine. I'll add it to the Index later.
Challenge 5 would also give it Perception +7 as the Allosaurus have double proficiency in Perception, which seemed a bit too high a bump to me.
It could have single Proficiency for Perception +4 like a Tyrannosaurus I guess, but that didn't seem quite right either. Actually, a Tyrannosaur would likely see BETTER than an Allosaur so I reckon should have a higher Perception than one, but I didn't write the 5E dinosaurs' stats.
The +9 to hit of a CR 5 Allosaurus didn't matter much to me, but it would probably have Hit Points 114 (12d12 + 36) too, which seems a too tough.
Even the Challenge 4 Greater Allosaurus I propose above has nine more hit points than a 5E Elephant (85 vs 76) while being smaller than one. An average-sized Indian Elephant is heavier than all but the largest Allosaur, while an African Elephant would be considerably heftier.
Giving it 50% more hit points than a 5E Elephant seems to be going too far.
Casimir Liber
Adventurer
ok, that all seems reasonable - CR 4 it is
Cleon
Legend
I've updated the Greater Allosaurus and added a Description.
Updated the Completed Fifth Edition Creatures Index to add the Fasolasuchus.
Casimir Liber
Adventurer
Ok Greater Allosaurus duly dndbeyonded
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