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<blockquote data-quote="Yaarel" data-source="post: 9337695" data-attributes="member: 58172"><p>The 5e Warlock is AEDU. The cantrips are Atwill, the slots are Encounter, the Arcanums are Daily, any of them can be Utility, and the Invocations might be any of them.</p><p></p><p>Suppose mages (or some mage subclasses) have access to a nonmagic "Martial spell school". These are defacto spells, using the spell format, but called "maneuvers" (techniques, stances, exploits) when strictly nonmagical mechanics. This is an effective way to build a gish. It can even build a rigorously nonmagical Warlord.</p><p></p><p>If a Bard, Cleric, or Paladin serves as the chassis for the Warlord, it has Atwill maneuvers/cantrips, and Daily slots. Plus various class features. The Daily maneuver description can be anything. For example, its Duration can be a 24-hour always-on "stance". This stance can grant an Atwill benefit for the duration of the stance, and in addition, with "great exertion" a dramatic effect, which requires a Short Rest to do again.</p><p></p><p>Anything that 4e powers can do, 5e spells can do.</p><p></p><p>A "Martial spell school" can be a helpful design approach to achieve a "full" 5e Warlord.</p><p></p><p> Perhaps the greatest benefit of this approach is caster-martial balance. When gish players are using a same spell slot to choose between a Martial maneuver or an Arcane spell, it becomes crystal clear which option is more powerful and which options are about equal to each other. Designers can use this precise information to carefully fix any issues with Martial classes.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Yaarel, post: 9337695, member: 58172"] The 5e Warlock is AEDU. The cantrips are Atwill, the slots are Encounter, the Arcanums are Daily, any of them can be Utility, and the Invocations might be any of them. Suppose mages (or some mage subclasses) have access to a nonmagic "Martial spell school". These are defacto spells, using the spell format, but called "maneuvers" (techniques, stances, exploits) when strictly nonmagical mechanics. This is an effective way to build a gish. It can even build a rigorously nonmagical Warlord. If a Bard, Cleric, or Paladin serves as the chassis for the Warlord, it has Atwill maneuvers/cantrips, and Daily slots. Plus various class features. The Daily maneuver description can be anything. For example, its Duration can be a 24-hour always-on "stance". This stance can grant an Atwill benefit for the duration of the stance, and in addition, with "great exertion" a dramatic effect, which requires a Short Rest to do again. Anything that 4e powers can do, 5e spells can do. A "Martial spell school" can be a helpful design approach to achieve a "full" 5e Warlord. Perhaps the greatest benefit of this approach is caster-martial balance. When gish players are using a same spell slot to choose between a Martial maneuver or an Arcane spell, it becomes crystal clear which option is more powerful and which options are about equal to each other. Designers can use this precise information to carefully fix any issues with Martial classes. [/QUOTE]
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