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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 9328509" data-attributes="member: 6801228"><p>And you have immediately demonstrated the problem, because the bolded is FALSE. </p><p></p><p>Rules from the PHB, pg 182: <em>Each foot of movement costs 1 extra foot (2 extra feet in difficult terrain) when you're climbing, swimming, or crawling. You ignore this extra cost if you have a climbing speed and use it to climb, or a swimming speed and use it to swim. At the DM's option, climbing a slippery vertical surface or one with few handholds requires a successful Strength (Athletics) check. <strong>Similarly, gaining any distance in <u>rough water might</u> require a successful Strength (Athletics) check.</strong></em></p><p></p><p>These are the entirety of the rules for swimming. There are other rules for holding your breath, or making attacks underwater, but nothing else is stated for swimming rules. So, if my fighter in full plate wants to swim over a calm little river... there is no roll, they just deal with difficult terrain. </p><p></p><p>Yes, you can argue until you are blue in the face that it would be hard, nay a death sentence, for a real life human being to attempt that. It doesn't matter. The rules state there is no roll for this. The DM can optionally decide there might be a roll for rough water, but otherwise you are wrong. </p><p></p><p>So... if what you consider hard isn't even a challenge for the PC... what is supposed to be hard for them?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 9328509, member: 6801228"] And you have immediately demonstrated the problem, because the bolded is FALSE. Rules from the PHB, pg 182: [I]Each foot of movement costs 1 extra foot (2 extra feet in difficult terrain) when you're climbing, swimming, or crawling. You ignore this extra cost if you have a climbing speed and use it to climb, or a swimming speed and use it to swim. At the DM's option, climbing a slippery vertical surface or one with few handholds requires a successful Strength (Athletics) check. [B]Similarly, gaining any distance in [U]rough water might[/U] require a successful Strength (Athletics) check.[/B][/I] These are the entirety of the rules for swimming. There are other rules for holding your breath, or making attacks underwater, but nothing else is stated for swimming rules. So, if my fighter in full plate wants to swim over a calm little river... there is no roll, they just deal with difficult terrain. Yes, you can argue until you are blue in the face that it would be hard, nay a death sentence, for a real life human being to attempt that. It doesn't matter. The rules state there is no roll for this. The DM can optionally decide there might be a roll for rough water, but otherwise you are wrong. So... if what you consider hard isn't even a challenge for the PC... what is supposed to be hard for them? [/QUOTE]
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