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<blockquote data-quote="niklinna" data-source="post: 8482715" data-attributes="member: 71235"><p>You don't lose the action; the spell is always cast, and only after does the device possibly fritz out.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't think the combat spells need to be <em>removed</em>. Some players will have fun playing on the edge.</p><p></p><p>The real trap I see is the very limited number of spells you can prepare...roughly half what an o5e artificer gets. That really cuts down your versatility. (Also, you can't create two devices the produce the same spell? It's redundant, sure, but redundancy is a pillar of good engineering! That should be possible to do.)</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Bingo. As I mentioned above, really, really limiting. I think this is the thing most in need of a boost for the class.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Agreed.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Altenatively, allow the artificer to let the invention handle concentration, at the cost of guaranteed fizzle, if you still want some limits to concentration.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yep. Redundancy FTW! <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" /></p><p></p><p></p><p>More ways to repair fizzled inventions would be good, yeah. Hotfixer comes online very late (level 17), especially for something that recharges on a long rest.</p><p></p><p>Some other ideas, as alternatives or additions to the above:</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Gain a few low-level spells as non-fizzling inventions (like wizard signature spells). Maybe they can't be upcast at all, maybe upcasting does risk fizzling, but as long as you use them for basic stuff, they are reliable.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Allow spells higher than 5th-level (maybe up to 7th?), but such inventions always fizzle after one use, and can't be hotfixed. For those who do want that unreliable-mad-inventor feel, you could make the fizzle roll for these be <strong>before</strong> use, but then that could get confusing.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Maybe higher-level spell inventions require two hands to use/activate? That's getting a bit into the fiddly weeds but I figured I'd toss that out there.</li> </ul></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="niklinna, post: 8482715, member: 71235"] You don't lose the action; the spell is always cast, and only after does the device possibly fritz out. I don't think the combat spells need to be [I]removed[/I]. Some players will have fun playing on the edge. The real trap I see is the very limited number of spells you can prepare...roughly half what an o5e artificer gets. That really cuts down your versatility. (Also, you can't create two devices the produce the same spell? It's redundant, sure, but redundancy is a pillar of good engineering! That should be possible to do.) Bingo. As I mentioned above, really, really limiting. I think this is the thing most in need of a boost for the class. Agreed. Altenatively, allow the artificer to let the invention handle concentration, at the cost of guaranteed fizzle, if you still want some limits to concentration. Yep. Redundancy FTW! :p More ways to repair fizzled inventions would be good, yeah. Hotfixer comes online very late (level 17), especially for something that recharges on a long rest. Some other ideas, as alternatives or additions to the above: [LIST] [*]Gain a few low-level spells as non-fizzling inventions (like wizard signature spells). Maybe they can't be upcast at all, maybe upcasting does risk fizzling, but as long as you use them for basic stuff, they are reliable. [*]Allow spells higher than 5th-level (maybe up to 7th?), but such inventions always fizzle after one use, and can't be hotfixed. For those who do want that unreliable-mad-inventor feel, you could make the fizzle roll for these be [B]before[/B] use, but then that could get confusing. [*]Maybe higher-level spell inventions require two hands to use/activate? That's getting a bit into the fiddly weeds but I figured I'd toss that out there. [/LIST] [/QUOTE]
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