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<blockquote data-quote="Grazzt" data-source="post: 218839" data-attributes="member: 7"><p>Not quite. An ogre, for example, is ECL +5, but check the example on page 24 in the DMG. That tells you when the monster PC can enter the game. The ogre begins at 4th because it has 4 HD. Thus, according to the example, the ogre starts with just enough XP to be 4th level, not 5th. ECL only tells you when you can insert the guy into the game, not what level it starts at.</p><p></p><p>So- if you have a race that is ECL +4 and only has 2 HD, you can insert it into the game when the party is around 4th level but your monster PC only gets XP for 2nd level and starts the game at 2nd level. Again, page 24 in the DMG.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Except that the monster's HD count as "monster levels." (page 24 in the DMG). So the monster's HD (or monster levels) should be included in the calculation for Leadership.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Ah- poor choice of words on my part perhaps. In any event, I do not believe ECL affects Leadership at all.</p><p></p><p>For example, take a minotaur (ECL +8) sorcerer, 8th-level, Cha 14 (yeah- I know, stretching it, but what the hell <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" />)</p><p></p><p></p><p>Now- this guy has a character level of 14 (monster levels + class levels). Check the DMG page 24 ("A creature with class levels plus monster levels, such as an ogre, has a character level equal to his monster levels plus his class levels.").</p><p></p><p></p><p>Ok- since HD count as "monster levels" he has 6 monster levels (or HD) and 8 levels of sorcerer. </p><p></p><p>Using the Leadership calculation of levels + Cha modifier, our guy has a base Leadership score of 16 (6 monster levels + 8 sorcerer levels + 2 Cha bonus). </p><p></p><p>ECL has no bearing on that. The minotaur (ECL +8) starts as a 6 HD monster and adds 8 class levels. Thus, it is a 14th level character.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Grazzt, post: 218839, member: 7"] Not quite. An ogre, for example, is ECL +5, but check the example on page 24 in the DMG. That tells you when the monster PC can enter the game. The ogre begins at 4th because it has 4 HD. Thus, according to the example, the ogre starts with just enough XP to be 4th level, not 5th. ECL only tells you when you can insert the guy into the game, not what level it starts at. So- if you have a race that is ECL +4 and only has 2 HD, you can insert it into the game when the party is around 4th level but your monster PC only gets XP for 2nd level and starts the game at 2nd level. Again, page 24 in the DMG. Except that the monster's HD count as "monster levels." (page 24 in the DMG). So the monster's HD (or monster levels) should be included in the calculation for Leadership. Ah- poor choice of words on my part perhaps. In any event, I do not believe ECL affects Leadership at all. For example, take a minotaur (ECL +8) sorcerer, 8th-level, Cha 14 (yeah- I know, stretching it, but what the hell :)) Now- this guy has a character level of 14 (monster levels + class levels). Check the DMG page 24 ("A creature with class levels plus monster levels, such as an ogre, has a character level equal to his monster levels plus his class levels."). Ok- since HD count as "monster levels" he has 6 monster levels (or HD) and 8 levels of sorcerer. Using the Leadership calculation of levels + Cha modifier, our guy has a base Leadership score of 16 (6 monster levels + 8 sorcerer levels + 2 Cha bonus). ECL has no bearing on that. The minotaur (ECL +8) starts as a 6 HD monster and adds 8 class levels. Thus, it is a 14th level character. [/QUOTE]
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