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<blockquote data-quote="demoss" data-source="post: 9280476" data-attributes="member: 6690191"><p>There are ways to host events in problematic countries that are <em>less </em>problematic. These ways center around listening to the voices of the locally disempowered, and asking how such an event can make their lives better.</p><p></p><p>An international event in China has way more freedom than a national one: international events are always projections of soft power, and you can use that. An international visitor can say and do things a local cannot. An international event can provide a place for locals to say and do things they cannot normally do. (They are the people who will need to decide how much leeway they get, outsiders cannot make that judgement call.) There have been academic conferences in China that have done this - for sure not all of them, but this is absolutely possible.</p><p></p><p>What you don't do is making favors to the oppressive regime without locals asking you to do so, which is what this Hugo committee did.</p><p></p><p>Even if you were encouraged to do this, you could have set up a canary beforehand. If you face an issue like this and didn't prepare, you can leak a rumour to an outsider. You can come clean after the fact.</p><p></p><p>The Hugo committee did none of this. They weren't asked. The didn't prepare. They didn't leak. They didn't come clean, until <em>after </em>their actions were discovered - and it's not clear they've actually come fully clean still.</p><p></p><p>They were active participants in an oppressive regime <em>without being even asked by anyone. T</em>heir actions can only be interpreted as either active collusion, playing at being white saviors, or making sure the shortlist was filled with English fiction instead of Chinese.</p><p></p><p>If the Chinese hosts had asked them to do this,<em> and</em> if they had not actively tried to hide their actions... then I could understand people defending them.</p><p></p><p>When people defend them now, all I hear is "they're actually nice", "they're one of us", "you need them", etc.</p><p></p><p>These have never been and never will be valid defences of anyone's actions.</p><p></p><p>EDIT: I don't think we need to crucify or shun anyone, but we should also not hand out forgiveness by default.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="demoss, post: 9280476, member: 6690191"] There are ways to host events in problematic countries that are [I]less [/I]problematic. These ways center around listening to the voices of the locally disempowered, and asking how such an event can make their lives better. An international event in China has way more freedom than a national one: international events are always projections of soft power, and you can use that. An international visitor can say and do things a local cannot. An international event can provide a place for locals to say and do things they cannot normally do. (They are the people who will need to decide how much leeway they get, outsiders cannot make that judgement call.) There have been academic conferences in China that have done this - for sure not all of them, but this is absolutely possible. What you don't do is making favors to the oppressive regime without locals asking you to do so, which is what this Hugo committee did. Even if you were encouraged to do this, you could have set up a canary beforehand. If you face an issue like this and didn't prepare, you can leak a rumour to an outsider. You can come clean after the fact. The Hugo committee did none of this. They weren't asked. The didn't prepare. They didn't leak. They didn't come clean, until [I]after [/I]their actions were discovered - and it's not clear they've actually come fully clean still. They were active participants in an oppressive regime [I]without being even asked by anyone. T[/I]heir actions can only be interpreted as either active collusion, playing at being white saviors, or making sure the shortlist was filled with English fiction instead of Chinese. If the Chinese hosts had asked them to do this,[I] and[/I] if they had not actively tried to hide their actions... then I could understand people defending them. When people defend them now, all I hear is "they're actually nice", "they're one of us", "you need them", etc. These have never been and never will be valid defences of anyone's actions. EDIT: I don't think we need to crucify or shun anyone, but we should also not hand out forgiveness by default. [/QUOTE]
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