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[Help Plz] Do grapple checks include penalties/bonuses from defenseive fighting, etc?
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<blockquote data-quote="Camarath" data-source="post: 1063498" data-attributes="member: 11987"><p>I believe the chart is talking about an attempt to start a grapple.</p><p></p><p>I could be wrong about grapple checks not being attacks. The rules do say.</p><p></p><p>From SRD</p><p>Grapple Checks</p><p>Repeatedly in a grapple, you need to make opposed grapple checks against an opponent. A grapple check is like a melee attack roll. Your attack bonus on a grapple check is: Base attack bonus + Strength modifier + special size modifier</p><p></p><p>IMO this is rather ambiguous about whether or not grapple checks actually count as attack rolls. I can not find a rule that deals any more clearly with this issue. If a grapple check is an special kind attack roll, then every option where you use a grapple check would be an attack. It seems odd to me that Draw a Light Weapon, Escape from Grapple, and Move should be considered attacks.</p><p> I would say that is a fair interpretation if you count grapple checks as attacks.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Camarath, post: 1063498, member: 11987"] I believe the chart is talking about an attempt to start a grapple. I could be wrong about grapple checks not being attacks. The rules do say. From SRD Grapple Checks Repeatedly in a grapple, you need to make opposed grapple checks against an opponent. A grapple check is like a melee attack roll. Your attack bonus on a grapple check is: Base attack bonus + Strength modifier + special size modifier IMO this is rather ambiguous about whether or not grapple checks actually count as attack rolls. I can not find a rule that deals any more clearly with this issue. If a grapple check is an special kind attack roll, then every option where you use a grapple check would be an attack. It seems odd to me that Draw a Light Weapon, Escape from Grapple, and Move should be considered attacks. I would say that is a fair interpretation if you count grapple checks as attacks. [/QUOTE]
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