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[Help Plz] Do grapple checks include penalties/bonuses from defenseive fighting, etc?
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<blockquote data-quote="Camarath" data-source="post: 1062555" data-attributes="member: 11987"><p>From SRD</p><p>Grappling Consequences</p><p>While you’re grappling, your ability to attack others and defend yourself is limited.</p><p>No Threatened Squares: You don’t threaten any squares while grappling.</p><p><strong>No Dexterity Bonus: You lose your Dexterity bonus to AC (if you have one) against opponents you aren’t grappling. (You can still use it against opponents you are grappling.)</strong></p><p>No Movement: You can’t move normally while grappling. You may, however, make an opposed grapple check (see below) to move while grappling.</p><p></p><p>You could do this. But AC does not help you in opposed grapple checks. The AC bonus would still help you if the opponent grappling you attacked you rather than using an opposed grapple check to damage you. And since your Dexterity bonus to AC does not apply to opponents not grappling you, the dodge bonus granted by expertise and fighting defensively would not apply as well (since dodge bonus are lost when you lose your dex bonus). But the Natural Armor bonus would still apply to opponents not grappling you. So IMO you could make grapple checks to damage your opponent at no penalty and then use your last attack action to attack your opponent and take a penalty to increase your Natural Armor (and your dodge bonus if you wanted).</p><p></p><p>If you find this distasteful you can rule that the penality is not to attacks per say but to your BAB and since your grapple checks use your BAB the penalty would apply to grapple checks as well as any other ability based on your BAB.</p><p> Yes all special abilities that grant a strait (i.e. do not require an attack) bonus to damage would apply to grapple checks to damage.</p><p> That is cool. I hope I have been helpful. It is all way best to sort out these things outside of the game.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Camarath, post: 1062555, member: 11987"] From SRD Grappling Consequences While you’re grappling, your ability to attack others and defend yourself is limited. No Threatened Squares: You don’t threaten any squares while grappling. [b]No Dexterity Bonus: You lose your Dexterity bonus to AC (if you have one) against opponents you aren’t grappling. (You can still use it against opponents you are grappling.)[/b] No Movement: You can’t move normally while grappling. You may, however, make an opposed grapple check (see below) to move while grappling. You could do this. But AC does not help you in opposed grapple checks. The AC bonus would still help you if the opponent grappling you attacked you rather than using an opposed grapple check to damage you. And since your Dexterity bonus to AC does not apply to opponents not grappling you, the dodge bonus granted by expertise and fighting defensively would not apply as well (since dodge bonus are lost when you lose your dex bonus). But the Natural Armor bonus would still apply to opponents not grappling you. So IMO you could make grapple checks to damage your opponent at no penalty and then use your last attack action to attack your opponent and take a penalty to increase your Natural Armor (and your dodge bonus if you wanted). If you find this distasteful you can rule that the penality is not to attacks per say but to your BAB and since your grapple checks use your BAB the penalty would apply to grapple checks as well as any other ability based on your BAB. Yes all special abilities that grant a strait (i.e. do not require an attack) bonus to damage would apply to grapple checks to damage. That is cool. I hope I have been helpful. It is all way best to sort out these things outside of the game. [/QUOTE]
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