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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 9319888" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>I call bollocks on Todd. It's a safe bet.</p><p></p><p>They previously said it was an error.</p><p></p><p>Todd Howard, who let us all be clear - is a notorious confabulator* of the Baron Munchausen-esque kind - is probably just making this up on the spot as a bit of totally unnecessary CYA, because the man is profoundly disconnected from reality. Realistically, it was an error and nobody sane cared. They could either choose to address that head-on like normal developers, or they can try and convince the writers on Fallout that they need to write the next seasons so "The Fall of Shady Sands" definitely doesn't mean "Shady Sands got nuked", even though it clearly did, and the plot doesn't really make sense if Shady Sands already "fell" in any meaningful sense (and not just of NV, but also of the Fallout TV show). The problem they have is this "fall", completely unmentioned in NV, has to be so extreme that it would be a historical event known about by everyone from Shady Sands. So it can't be anything subtle. Which is a mismatch with NV, where there's no indication of trouble in Shady Sands, even though it's set in 2281, four years after the "fall". Doing all this CYA nonsense instead of saying "It was a typo" is just Streisand shenanigans, but it's very Bethesda.</p><p></p><p>Also "the NCR is a wide-ranging sort of organization and group across not just California, but other places" that's another use for that GIF! Not really though, Todd!</p><p></p><p>What we know is that the NCR occupied part of California, apparently got as far south as LA, and got as far East as the Nevada/Arizona border, which is where the Hoover dam is - but definitely as of NV, they wouldn't have got any further East than that. And if they got nuked months after NV, then even the "NCR wins" scenario is the right one (which seems unlikely for previously discussed reasons). I guess we might think they went as far North as Oregon, but where else? I wondering if Todd even understands the geography of America at this point!</p><p></p><p>* = Anyone who follows Bethesda games should know this very well.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 9319888, member: 18"] I call bollocks on Todd. It's a safe bet. They previously said it was an error. Todd Howard, who let us all be clear - is a notorious confabulator* of the Baron Munchausen-esque kind - is probably just making this up on the spot as a bit of totally unnecessary CYA, because the man is profoundly disconnected from reality. Realistically, it was an error and nobody sane cared. They could either choose to address that head-on like normal developers, or they can try and convince the writers on Fallout that they need to write the next seasons so "The Fall of Shady Sands" definitely doesn't mean "Shady Sands got nuked", even though it clearly did, and the plot doesn't really make sense if Shady Sands already "fell" in any meaningful sense (and not just of NV, but also of the Fallout TV show). The problem they have is this "fall", completely unmentioned in NV, has to be so extreme that it would be a historical event known about by everyone from Shady Sands. So it can't be anything subtle. Which is a mismatch with NV, where there's no indication of trouble in Shady Sands, even though it's set in 2281, four years after the "fall". Doing all this CYA nonsense instead of saying "It was a typo" is just Streisand shenanigans, but it's very Bethesda. Also "the NCR is a wide-ranging sort of organization and group across not just California, but other places" that's another use for that GIF! Not really though, Todd! What we know is that the NCR occupied part of California, apparently got as far south as LA, and got as far East as the Nevada/Arizona border, which is where the Hoover dam is - but definitely as of NV, they wouldn't have got any further East than that. And if they got nuked months after NV, then even the "NCR wins" scenario is the right one (which seems unlikely for previously discussed reasons). I guess we might think they went as far North as Oregon, but where else? I wondering if Todd even understands the geography of America at this point! * = Anyone who follows Bethesda games should know this very well. [/QUOTE]
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