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<blockquote data-quote="Cleon" data-source="post: 8529035" data-attributes="member: 57383"><p>Let's see what the dragonquest.org has on <strong><a href="https://dragon-quest.org/wiki/Murdaw" target="_blank">Murdaw</a></strong>…</p><p></p><p>…hmm, I have little idea what some of those numbers in the <strong><a href="https://dragon-quest.org/wiki/Murdaw#Abilities" target="_blank">Abilities</a></strong> mean since they're for a computer game.</p><p></p><p>It'd help if we had a monster with a clear 5E equivalent. It's inconvenient that dragonquest.org's <strong><em><a href="https://dragon-quest.org/wiki/Dragon_Quest_VI:_Realms_of_Revelation" target="_blank">DQVI</a></em></strong> page doesn't have a table of monsters that appear in the game!</p><p></p><p>Let's try the Dragon Quest wiki… ah, that's more like it:</p><h3><a href="https://dragonquest.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_monsters_in_Dragon_Quest_VI_Bestiary" target="_blank">List of monsters in Dragon Quest VI Bestiary</a></h3><p>Many of these seem to be "inspired" by D&D monsters - the Porker is clearly some sort of Orc, for example. Oh, and we'll want the wiki's <strong><a href="https://dragonquest.fandom.com/wiki/Murdaw" target="_blank">Murdaw</a></strong> entry for comparison.</p><p></p><p>I'm seeing some common D&D monster names there: Shadow, Troll, Mimic, Gryphon.</p><p></p><p>Like most CRPG they come in various strength - a <strong><a href="https://dragonquest.fandom.com/wiki/Cannibox#Dragon_Quest_VI" target="_blank">Man-Eating Box</a></strong> being a weak version of a <strong><a href="https://dragonquest.fandom.com/wiki/Mimic#Dragon_Quest_VI" target="_blank">Mimic</a></strong>, for example.</p><p></p><p>Let's see, <em>DQVI</em> gives a <strong><a href="https://dragonquest.fandom.com/wiki/Mimic#Dragon_Quest_VI" target="_blank">Mimic</a></strong> 304 hp (and the <strong><a href="https://dragonquest.fandom.com/wiki/Cannibox#Dragon_Quest_VI" target="_blank">Cannibox</a></strong> 144 hp), a <strong><a href="https://dragonquest.fandom.com/wiki/Troll#Dragon_Quest_VI" target="_blank">Troll</a></strong> 280 hp and a <strong><a href="https://dragonquest.fandom.com/wiki/Gryphon#Dragon_Quest_VI" target="_blank">Gryphon</a></strong> 200 hp.</p><p></p><p>In 5E, a <strong><a href="https://www.5esrd.com/gamemastering/monsters-foes/monsters-by-type/monstrosities/mimic/" target="_blank">Mimic</a></strong> has 58 hp, a <strong><a href="https://www.5esrd.com/gamemastering/monsters-foes/monsters-by-type/giants/troll/" target="_blank">Troll</a></strong> has 84 hp, and a <strong><a href="https://www.5esrd.com/database/creature/griffon" target="_blank">Griffon</a></strong> has 59 hp, so they aren't that far apart comparatively.</p><p></p><p>If we average the DQ Mimic/Cannibox's hp we get 224, pretty close to the DQ Gryphon's 200.</p><p></p><p>The ratio of geometric means of the two sets of hp (i.e. the cube-root of 280×224×200 divided by cube-root of 84×59×58) gives a ratio of 3.52, suggesting that one 5E D&D hit point is roughly equivalent to 3½ DragonQuestVI hit points.</p><p></p><p>Murdaw has 900 hp in his first and second DQVI encounter, so if that ratio applies (a BIG if!) he'd have about 257 hp in 5E, about the same as a <strong><a href="https://www.5esrd.com/database/creature/balor/" target="_blank">Balor</a></strong> but less than a <strong><a href="https://www.5esrd.com/database/creature/devil-pit-fiend/" target="_blank">Pit Fiend</a></strong>.</p><p></p><p>That suggests he <em>might</em> be equivalent to the weakest Demon Princes such as Juiblex, who is CR 19 in the 3E <em>Fiendish Codex I</em> and CR 20 in the 3E <em>Book of Vile Darkness</em>.</p><p></p><p>However, the <strong><a href="https://dnd-5e.herokuapp.com/monsters/juiblex" target="_blank">5E Juiblex</a></strong> is a more impressive Challenge 23 in <em>Mordenkainen's Book of Foes</em> with 350 hp.</p><p></p><p>If you want to aim a little higher, the Challenge 24 <strong><a href="https://dnd-5e.herokuapp.com/monsters/yeenoghu" target="_blank">5E Yeenoghu</a></strong> from the same source could also be used as a model for Murdaw's stats.</p><p></p><p>Anyhow, the first thing to do is decide on what Challenge you want this Dread Fiend to be, while leaving room for the more powerful fiends above Murdaw.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cleon, post: 8529035, member: 57383"] Let's see what the dragonquest.org has on [B][URL='https://dragon-quest.org/wiki/Murdaw']Murdaw[/URL][/B]… …hmm, I have little idea what some of those numbers in the [B][URL='https://dragon-quest.org/wiki/Murdaw#Abilities']Abilities[/URL][/B] mean since they're for a computer game. It'd help if we had a monster with a clear 5E equivalent. It's inconvenient that dragonquest.org's [B][I][URL='https://dragon-quest.org/wiki/Dragon_Quest_VI:_Realms_of_Revelation']DQVI[/URL][/I][/B] page doesn't have a table of monsters that appear in the game! Let's try the Dragon Quest wiki… ah, that's more like it: [HEADING=2][URL='https://dragonquest.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_monsters_in_Dragon_Quest_VI_Bestiary']List of monsters in Dragon Quest VI Bestiary[/URL][/HEADING] Many of these seem to be "inspired" by D&D monsters - the Porker is clearly some sort of Orc, for example. Oh, and we'll want the wiki's [B][URL='https://dragonquest.fandom.com/wiki/Murdaw']Murdaw[/URL][/B] entry for comparison. I'm seeing some common D&D monster names there: Shadow, Troll, Mimic, Gryphon. Like most CRPG they come in various strength - a [B][URL='https://dragonquest.fandom.com/wiki/Cannibox#Dragon_Quest_VI']Man-Eating Box[/URL][/B] being a weak version of a [B][URL='https://dragonquest.fandom.com/wiki/Mimic#Dragon_Quest_VI']Mimic[/URL][/B], for example. Let's see, [I]DQVI[/I] gives a [B][URL='https://dragonquest.fandom.com/wiki/Mimic#Dragon_Quest_VI']Mimic[/URL][/B] 304 hp (and the [B][URL='https://dragonquest.fandom.com/wiki/Cannibox#Dragon_Quest_VI']Cannibox[/URL][/B] 144 hp), a [B][URL='https://dragonquest.fandom.com/wiki/Troll#Dragon_Quest_VI']Troll[/URL][/B] 280 hp and a [B][URL='https://dragonquest.fandom.com/wiki/Gryphon#Dragon_Quest_VI']Gryphon[/URL][/B] 200 hp. In 5E, a [B][URL='https://www.5esrd.com/gamemastering/monsters-foes/monsters-by-type/monstrosities/mimic/']Mimic[/URL][/B] has 58 hp, a [B][URL='https://www.5esrd.com/gamemastering/monsters-foes/monsters-by-type/giants/troll/']Troll[/URL][/B] has 84 hp, and a [B][URL='https://www.5esrd.com/database/creature/griffon']Griffon[/URL][/B] has 59 hp, so they aren't that far apart comparatively. If we average the DQ Mimic/Cannibox's hp we get 224, pretty close to the DQ Gryphon's 200. The ratio of geometric means of the two sets of hp (i.e. the cube-root of 280×224×200 divided by cube-root of 84×59×58) gives a ratio of 3.52, suggesting that one 5E D&D hit point is roughly equivalent to 3½ DragonQuestVI hit points. Murdaw has 900 hp in his first and second DQVI encounter, so if that ratio applies (a BIG if!) he'd have about 257 hp in 5E, about the same as a [B][URL='https://www.5esrd.com/database/creature/balor/']Balor[/URL][/B] but less than a [B][URL='https://www.5esrd.com/database/creature/devil-pit-fiend/']Pit Fiend[/URL][/B]. That suggests he [I]might[/I] be equivalent to the weakest Demon Princes such as Juiblex, who is CR 19 in the 3E [I]Fiendish Codex I[/I] and CR 20 in the 3E [I]Book of Vile Darkness[/I]. However, the [B][URL='https://dnd-5e.herokuapp.com/monsters/juiblex']5E Juiblex[/URL][/B] is a more impressive Challenge 23 in [I]Mordenkainen's Book of Foes[/I] with 350 hp. If you want to aim a little higher, the Challenge 24 [B][URL='https://dnd-5e.herokuapp.com/monsters/yeenoghu']5E Yeenoghu[/URL][/B] from the same source could also be used as a model for Murdaw's stats. Anyhow, the first thing to do is decide on what Challenge you want this Dread Fiend to be, while leaving room for the more powerful fiends above Murdaw. [/QUOTE]
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