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<blockquote data-quote="Velderan" data-source="post: 8862945" data-attributes="member: 7038056"><p>Characters in my quote did not mean Destina. Characters meant a lot of people such as her father and others in leadership positions within the knighthood. Let me try this a different way, the prevailing belief by many in a position of authority at the time of Destina's story was that women could not be a knight because of their interpretation of the Measure. This did mean it was impossible. Interestingly we never are actually told exactly what the Measure says, at least not that I can think of. Much like how lawyers exist in modern days to argue what the words in a law actually say, it appears Solamnic "lawyers" argued something in it could be interpreted as forbidding it so it made the path forward that much harder at the start of the War of the Lance.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I couldn't even begin to speculate what triggered WotC to say they wouldn't be approving any more drafts going forward. My best guesses on 2 things that may have been put into the story at their request was:</p><p>[SPOILER="Dragons of Deceit minor plot discussion"]Destina being the daughter of mixed race parents to help promote diversity in the book. There's also the part where she was in Thorbardin on her way to try to retrieve the Graygem from the Theiwar. She commented on them being evil and the dwarf she was with pointed out how there are people in Solamnia that commit evil acts so don't think she comes from a perfect place and how the Theiwar are not all evil, just struggling to get by so their city was dangerous for that reason. I'm paraphrasing a bit, but basically it supports WotC's no race is entirely evil concept they've been trying to get through. [/SPOILER]</p><p></p><p>I can't imagine either of these were likely huge sticking points from either camp, so I'd be surprised if either of them were the cause of the lawsuit. </p><p></p><p></p><p>It's possible WotC asked them to not include them, but the gully dwarves also didn't really fit into the story being told so they might have just not mentioned them because they didn't need to.</p><p></p><p></p><p>And that's as good of a theory as any. I can appreciate you clarifying it's a belief and not an objective fact.</p><p></p><p></p><p>1e and 2e game material never mentioned females not being able to be knights at any point in time, so of course the 5e game material isn't going to mention something that was a plot point in a novel. Even if WotC wasn't trying to promote inclusivity, they simply weren't going to have that anyhow because it makes no sense to include that in a game.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Velderan, post: 8862945, member: 7038056"] Characters in my quote did not mean Destina. Characters meant a lot of people such as her father and others in leadership positions within the knighthood. Let me try this a different way, the prevailing belief by many in a position of authority at the time of Destina's story was that women could not be a knight because of their interpretation of the Measure. This did mean it was impossible. Interestingly we never are actually told exactly what the Measure says, at least not that I can think of. Much like how lawyers exist in modern days to argue what the words in a law actually say, it appears Solamnic "lawyers" argued something in it could be interpreted as forbidding it so it made the path forward that much harder at the start of the War of the Lance. I couldn't even begin to speculate what triggered WotC to say they wouldn't be approving any more drafts going forward. My best guesses on 2 things that may have been put into the story at their request was: [SPOILER="Dragons of Deceit minor plot discussion"]Destina being the daughter of mixed race parents to help promote diversity in the book. There's also the part where she was in Thorbardin on her way to try to retrieve the Graygem from the Theiwar. She commented on them being evil and the dwarf she was with pointed out how there are people in Solamnia that commit evil acts so don't think she comes from a perfect place and how the Theiwar are not all evil, just struggling to get by so their city was dangerous for that reason. I'm paraphrasing a bit, but basically it supports WotC's no race is entirely evil concept they've been trying to get through. [/SPOILER] I can't imagine either of these were likely huge sticking points from either camp, so I'd be surprised if either of them were the cause of the lawsuit. It's possible WotC asked them to not include them, but the gully dwarves also didn't really fit into the story being told so they might have just not mentioned them because they didn't need to. And that's as good of a theory as any. I can appreciate you clarifying it's a belief and not an objective fact. 1e and 2e game material never mentioned females not being able to be knights at any point in time, so of course the 5e game material isn't going to mention something that was a plot point in a novel. Even if WotC wasn't trying to promote inclusivity, they simply weren't going to have that anyhow because it makes no sense to include that in a game. [/QUOTE]
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