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<blockquote data-quote="Cleon" data-source="post: 9226199" data-attributes="member: 57383"><p>Welcome aboard!</p><p></p><p>First off, assuming this is a Fifth Edition conversion there's a few problems with the numbers.</p><p></p><p>If it has +2 natural armor and +3 DEX its <strong>Armor Class</strong> would be 15 (natural armor) not 12.</p><p></p><p>Constitution 16 (+3) and Wisdom 14 (+2) and a +2 Proficiency Bonus gives it <strong>Saves</strong> DEX +5, CON +5, WIS +4 rather than DEX +5, CON +4, WIS +3 listed.</p><p></p><p>If its melee attacks are Dexterity-based, the bite, claw and talons should all be +5 to hit and have a (# + 3) in the damage formula, but they're +4 to hit *except the +6 to hit talons) and either have a +0 or +1 in the damage.</p><p></p><p>Finally, <strong>Challenge</strong> 3 is 700 XP not 240 XP. Also, its numbers are WAY too low for the Cliff Raptor to be CR 3.</p><p></p><p>Did a quick run through the CR Calculator on 5e.tools with the listed stats (AC 12, 30 hp, +4 to hit, DPR 17 [1d6 + 2d4 + 1d6+1 plus half of a 2d6 leap] et cetera) and it comes out to <a href="https://5e.tools/crcalculator.html#3,12,17,4,false,Medium,4,16,false,0,false,2," target="_blank"><strong>Challenge</strong> 1 (200 XP)</a>.</p><p></p><p>If it had the higher numbers mentioned above (AC 15, +5 to hit, DPR 28 [1d6+3 + 2d4+6 + 1d6+2 plus half of a 2d6 leap]) and the CR Calculator says it would still be <a href="https://5e.tools/crcalculator.html#3,15,28,5,false,Medium,4,16,false,0,false,2," target="_blank"><strong>Challenge</strong> 2 (450 XP)</a>.</p><p></p><p>If you want it CR 3, I'd slap on some more Hit Dice to increase the Defensive CR but I think it works better with a lower CR.</p><p></p><p>It's roughly equivalent to a <strong><a href="https://www.5esrd.com/database/creature/animal-panther" target="_blank">Panther</a></strong> or <strong><a href="https://www.5esrd.com/database/creature/animal-lion" target="_blank">Lion</a></strong>, and those have much lower Challenge Ratings in 5E than 3E (Panther/Leopards go from to CR 2 to CR 1/4), Lions from CR 3 to CR 1).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cleon, post: 9226199, member: 57383"] Welcome aboard! First off, assuming this is a Fifth Edition conversion there's a few problems with the numbers. If it has +2 natural armor and +3 DEX its [b]Armor Class[/b] would be 15 (natural armor) not 12. Constitution 16 (+3) and Wisdom 14 (+2) and a +2 Proficiency Bonus gives it [b]Saves[/b] DEX +5, CON +5, WIS +4 rather than DEX +5, CON +4, WIS +3 listed. If its melee attacks are Dexterity-based, the bite, claw and talons should all be +5 to hit and have a (# + 3) in the damage formula, but they're +4 to hit *except the +6 to hit talons) and either have a +0 or +1 in the damage. Finally, [b]Challenge[/b] 3 is 700 XP not 240 XP. Also, its numbers are WAY too low for the Cliff Raptor to be CR 3. Did a quick run through the CR Calculator on 5e.tools with the listed stats (AC 12, 30 hp, +4 to hit, DPR 17 [1d6 + 2d4 + 1d6+1 plus half of a 2d6 leap] et cetera) and it comes out to [url='https://5e.tools/crcalculator.html#3,12,17,4,false,Medium,4,16,false,0,false,2,'][b]Challenge[/b] 1 (200 XP)[/url]. If it had the higher numbers mentioned above (AC 15, +5 to hit, DPR 28 [1d6+3 + 2d4+6 + 1d6+2 plus half of a 2d6 leap]) and the CR Calculator says it would still be [url='https://5e.tools/crcalculator.html#3,15,28,5,false,Medium,4,16,false,0,false,2,'][b]Challenge[/b] 2 (450 XP)[/url]. If you want it CR 3, I'd slap on some more Hit Dice to increase the Defensive CR but I think it works better with a lower CR. It's roughly equivalent to a [b][url='https://www.5esrd.com/database/creature/animal-panther']Panther[/url][/b] or [b][url='https://www.5esrd.com/database/creature/animal-lion']Lion[/url][/b], and those have much lower Challenge Ratings in 5E than 3E (Panther/Leopards go from to CR 2 to CR 1/4), Lions from CR 3 to CR 1). [/QUOTE]
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