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Best Archer Valor Bard build for these parameters?
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<blockquote data-quote="OlegRU(new)" data-source="post: 9009128" data-attributes="member: 7041526"><p>I understand that a super-optimized version of this would likely be either heavily geared towards caster or archer, maybe using other weapons/dmg cantrips, dipping multiple levels/classes, diff. races etc.</p><p></p><p>However, I specifically, RP and aesthetic-wise, want to play the character from my "Definites" below, and be this quickly-getting-around, good bowman, who casts fun spells and good at skills (I get it's somewhat MAD) .</p><p></p><p>I want to have the most optimized version possible of this, within given limits.</p><p></p><p><strong>DM Rules:</strong></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">We get 30 points for point-buy array <a href="https://chicken-dinner.com/5e/5e-point-buy.html#halfelf&disabled&8&8&8&8&8&8&0&0&30&15&8&19&15&12&9&7&5&4&3&2&1&0&1&2&4&6&9&4&4&4&4&4&4" target="_blank">(here's the calculator)</a></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">We start w/ a free less-powerful Feat</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Starting level 1</li> </ul><p><strong>Definites:</strong></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Playing a Half-Elf, Valor Bard, Dex-based Archer</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Don't want negative modifiers (i.e. scores under 10)</li> </ul><p><strong>More info:</strong></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">So far the best arrays I've come up with are (post racial bonuses): 10, 16, 13, 10, 12, 17 and 10, 16, 14, 10, 13, 16.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Some DM-approved feats that work with my char are:<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Medium Armor Master</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Alert</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Observant</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Skill Expert</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Fighter Initiate (for Archery Fighting Style) </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Open to other fitting "less-powerful" feats</li> </ul></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">I might be open to a 1-2 level dip, class/RP-depending.</li> </ul><p><strong>Questions:</strong></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">What combo of Ability Scores + Feat would you recommend to start?<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">I like the 1st array in that w/ a feat I can start @ 18 CHA, but same time the 2nd array allows me a nice starting CON and a WIS that's feat-boostable to 14.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">I like Skill Expert and Observant as they would allow me to have that 14 WIS if I did 2nd array, SE allowing me a nice Athletics despite my 10 STR or Observ. for the cool passive scores.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Alert is awesome for setting up in combat and keeping me more survivable.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Medium Armor Master - the major reason it's on there, is I'm worried that 16 AC (Breastplate + Dex) is a bit low, and don't want Med. Armors to kill my stealth.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Fighter Initiate (for Archery Fighting Style) gives +2 attack bns to help offset the -5 from Sharpshooter feat later. </li> </ul></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">What would you recommend as the ASI/Feat choices going forward in level progression<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Depending on my array choice and starting feat. If 2nd array, considering Lvl 4: 18 CHA, Lvl 8: SS or 18 DEX or 20 CHA Lvl 12: Whichever I didn't take lvl 8 etc.</li> </ul></li> </ul></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="OlegRU(new), post: 9009128, member: 7041526"] I understand that a super-optimized version of this would likely be either heavily geared towards caster or archer, maybe using other weapons/dmg cantrips, dipping multiple levels/classes, diff. races etc. However, I specifically, RP and aesthetic-wise, want to play the character from my "Definites" below, and be this quickly-getting-around, good bowman, who casts fun spells and good at skills (I get it's somewhat MAD) . I want to have the most optimized version possible of this, within given limits. [B]DM Rules:[/B] [LIST] [*]We get 30 points for point-buy array [URL='https://chicken-dinner.com/5e/5e-point-buy.html#halfelf&disabled&8&8&8&8&8&8&0&0&30&15&8&19&15&12&9&7&5&4&3&2&1&0&1&2&4&6&9&4&4&4&4&4&4'](here's the calculator)[/URL] [*]We start w/ a free less-powerful Feat [*]Starting level 1 [/LIST] [B]Definites:[/B] [LIST] [*]Playing a Half-Elf, Valor Bard, Dex-based Archer [*]Don't want negative modifiers (i.e. scores under 10) [/LIST] [B]More info:[/B] [LIST] [*]So far the best arrays I've come up with are (post racial bonuses): 10, 16, 13, 10, 12, 17 and 10, 16, 14, 10, 13, 16. [*]Some DM-approved feats that work with my char are: [LIST] [*]Medium Armor Master [*]Alert [*]Observant [*]Skill Expert [*]Fighter Initiate (for Archery Fighting Style) [*]Open to other fitting "less-powerful" feats [/LIST] [*]I might be open to a 1-2 level dip, class/RP-depending. [/LIST] [B]Questions:[/B] [LIST] [*]What combo of Ability Scores + Feat would you recommend to start? [LIST] [*]I like the 1st array in that w/ a feat I can start @ 18 CHA, but same time the 2nd array allows me a nice starting CON and a WIS that's feat-boostable to 14. [*]I like Skill Expert and Observant as they would allow me to have that 14 WIS if I did 2nd array, SE allowing me a nice Athletics despite my 10 STR or Observ. for the cool passive scores. [*]Alert is awesome for setting up in combat and keeping me more survivable. [*]Medium Armor Master - the major reason it's on there, is I'm worried that 16 AC (Breastplate + Dex) is a bit low, and don't want Med. Armors to kill my stealth. [*]Fighter Initiate (for Archery Fighting Style) gives +2 attack bns to help offset the -5 from Sharpshooter feat later. [/LIST] [*]What would you recommend as the ASI/Feat choices going forward in level progression [LIST] [*]Depending on my array choice and starting feat. If 2nd array, considering Lvl 4: 18 CHA, Lvl 8: SS or 18 DEX or 20 CHA Lvl 12: Whichever I didn't take lvl 8 etc. [/LIST] [/LIST] [/QUOTE]
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