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<blockquote data-quote="Azlan" data-source="post: 220050" data-attributes="member: 2340"><p>I'm DM'ing a low-level campaign where the action often takes place outdoors. The entangle spell is starting to dominate the action, being that it has such a large area of effect (40' radius!) and a long duration (1 minute per level!), and that it greatly hinders the combatants caught within (even those who make their save, albeit to a less degree) -- and all this from a 1st level spell.</p><p></p><p>For example, last game session the player characters (six of them, levels 2-3) encountered 30 goblins and a half dozen worg wolves. Even though the goblins and wolves were spread out, they were all caught within the radius of a single entangle spell, cast by the group's cleric. Fortunately for the goblins, they had a shaman with them, and he cast an entangle spell on the player characters as well. What a laborous mess, that combat encounter turned out to be! Yet entangle has become a standard tactic used in most every outdoor encounter, and since the action often takes place outdoors, in my campaign, it's getting out of hand.</p><p></p><p>When I first start DM'ing 3rd Edition, I ran the adventure module, The Sunless Citadel. This adventure was designed for 1-2 level characters. Yet when the player characters encountered the chief villain in the adventure (a 4th level druid), and he cast an entangle spell on them, every one of them failed their save and were immobilized. You should've heard the players bitching...</p><p></p><p>"<em>All</em> of us are in the area of effect? But we're spread out!"</p><p></p><p>"How long are we entangled for... ? Four <em>minutes</em>? But there's 10 combat rounds per minute! We'll all be dead within the first minute!"</p><p></p><p>"Cripes! What level is this spell... ? <em>1st</em> level?!"</p><p></p><p>Myself, I was surprised by how effective this one, 1st level spell turned out to be. The villain and his minions, at their leisure, could've wiped out the entire group of entangled player characters, picking them off one-by-one. (Instead, I mercifully chose to have the villain flee the scene and for his minions to guard his exit.)</p><p></p><p>Anyway, what I'm wondering is, have other DM's out there encountered problems with this spell? And if so, what measures have they taken to keep the entangle spell from unbalancing or tangling up (heh) their campaign?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Azlan, post: 220050, member: 2340"] I'm DM'ing a low-level campaign where the action often takes place outdoors. The entangle spell is starting to dominate the action, being that it has such a large area of effect (40' radius!) and a long duration (1 minute per level!), and that it greatly hinders the combatants caught within (even those who make their save, albeit to a less degree) -- and all this from a 1st level spell. For example, last game session the player characters (six of them, levels 2-3) encountered 30 goblins and a half dozen worg wolves. Even though the goblins and wolves were spread out, they were all caught within the radius of a single entangle spell, cast by the group's cleric. Fortunately for the goblins, they had a shaman with them, and he cast an entangle spell on the player characters as well. What a laborous mess, that combat encounter turned out to be! Yet entangle has become a standard tactic used in most every outdoor encounter, and since the action often takes place outdoors, in my campaign, it's getting out of hand. When I first start DM'ing 3rd Edition, I ran the adventure module, The Sunless Citadel. This adventure was designed for 1-2 level characters. Yet when the player characters encountered the chief villain in the adventure (a 4th level druid), and he cast an entangle spell on them, every one of them failed their save and were immobilized. You should've heard the players bitching... "[i]All[/i] of us are in the area of effect? But we're spread out!" "How long are we entangled for... ? Four [i]minutes[/i]? But there's 10 combat rounds per minute! We'll all be dead within the first minute!" "Cripes! What level is this spell... ? [i]1st[/i] level?!" Myself, I was surprised by how effective this one, 1st level spell turned out to be. The villain and his minions, at their leisure, could've wiped out the entire group of entangled player characters, picking them off one-by-one. (Instead, I mercifully chose to have the villain flee the scene and for his minions to guard his exit.) Anyway, what I'm wondering is, have other DM's out there encountered problems with this spell? And if so, what measures have they taken to keep the entangle spell from unbalancing or tangling up (heh) their campaign? [/QUOTE]
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