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<blockquote data-quote="Steampunkette" data-source="post: 8897046" data-attributes="member: 6796468"><p>So I'm looking at the 5e and Oe Clerics and... Honestly I'm not terribly impressed?</p><p></p><p>Like... I kind of like that you get the choice of Holy Order to gain different benefits for different orders. Thaumaturgy is, for example, a really -neat- option, giving back a long-rest use on a short rest and an extra always-available action is nice to me.</p><p></p><p>But moving the Subclass to 3rd level really feels like a bad choice because of the specific narrative attachment of the subclass. This isn't "How you learn to fight" this is the -basis- of your belief system that you don't gain access to out of the gate at level 1. It means a cleric of Pelor and a cleric of Gruumsh gain the exact same powers and abilities with nothing to distinguish them for the first two levels. And to me that just feels weird.</p><p></p><p>It feels like it was a decision not to limit power gain, or make things fundamentally better, but just to make the cleric leveling table look "Fuller" since they took out the gap at 3rd level. Especially since you're gaining access to 2nd level spells at that point -and- your subclass.</p><p></p><p>And it feels like they dropped Blessed Strikes from 8th to 7th for the same reason. You -just- gained access to a new level of spells (4th) so you don't really need an additional feature at that level in order to feel stronger.</p><p></p><p>And then Holy Order round 2 at level 9 grants another passive bonus right at 9th level when you get 5th level spells. Some of the best and most defining spells for Clerics.</p><p></p><p>It makes me wonder just how many of the Oe revamps are going to be "Make it look like you get more stuff on the chart".</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Steampunkette, post: 8897046, member: 6796468"] So I'm looking at the 5e and Oe Clerics and... Honestly I'm not terribly impressed? Like... I kind of like that you get the choice of Holy Order to gain different benefits for different orders. Thaumaturgy is, for example, a really -neat- option, giving back a long-rest use on a short rest and an extra always-available action is nice to me. But moving the Subclass to 3rd level really feels like a bad choice because of the specific narrative attachment of the subclass. This isn't "How you learn to fight" this is the -basis- of your belief system that you don't gain access to out of the gate at level 1. It means a cleric of Pelor and a cleric of Gruumsh gain the exact same powers and abilities with nothing to distinguish them for the first two levels. And to me that just feels weird. It feels like it was a decision not to limit power gain, or make things fundamentally better, but just to make the cleric leveling table look "Fuller" since they took out the gap at 3rd level. Especially since you're gaining access to 2nd level spells at that point -and- your subclass. And it feels like they dropped Blessed Strikes from 8th to 7th for the same reason. You -just- gained access to a new level of spells (4th) so you don't really need an additional feature at that level in order to feel stronger. And then Holy Order round 2 at level 9 grants another passive bonus right at 9th level when you get 5th level spells. Some of the best and most defining spells for Clerics. It makes me wonder just how many of the Oe revamps are going to be "Make it look like you get more stuff on the chart". [/QUOTE]
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