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that would maybe be true if 1) the entire product were AI generated rather than, say, the pictures but not the text and 2) a free copy were easily available. So chances are this care rarely comes up

It clearly sold better than expected, but that 2500% percent number is dubious at best. The original statement was it sold a (n expected) year's worth of product in two weeks. That gets you to 2500% if you expect the next 50 weeks to sell just as well as the first two (i.e. the year's worth of...

or at a minimum, mention them by name in unrelated topics like your post in this one ;)

yes, which is why I initially wrote that there probably is some core you are not compromising on, but if that ‘core’ is ‘it has to be a tortle and nothing else will do’, I do consider this lack of any compromise a red flag

we will see how challenging DS is once that gets released. As to a setting for D&D, if the setting has its origins in 1e/2e or caters to the tastes of one table rather than aiming at mass market appeal and sales, then there is a lot less need for it to be a kitchen sink Does that mean it might...

it’s a game of make believe, there is no valid reason

that use case seems to be the one you are arguing against though, ie the people saying ‘there are no tortles’ are talking about a long established setting, not something they are about to roughly sketch for a new campaign based on player interests

nah, lack of any compromise is a red flag in itself, that doesn’t mean that everything is fully negotiable. There probably is something you want to keep around from your initial idea though, and that is fine

I think this is where the disconnect is, this is not a setting being designed for a new campaign, it is a setting that has existed for 10+ years already, seeing play over that period. If a DM designs a new setting for a new campaign, sure, consider the players interests. Why wouldn’t they… If...

I agree in general, but in this discussion I assume that is because everyone insisting that not allowing a tortle is bad DMing is not really all that interested in playing one in the first place, so they draw a blank. In a real scenario I sure hope they would have better reasons than what they...

you don’t have to allow for anything, you just have to live with the consequences of not being in the game if you do not compromise

no one, that is what has been proposed multiple times, it just never worked because the pro-turtle side could not say what the important part about playing a turtle was that needed preserving

I mean, I would not expect all, that is obviously nonsense. It should be a vast majority or the statement should not be made like that. So that are the outer limits. The statement was not ‘in their experience’, it was about the global player base, and I wanted to see what they think that is...

I mean, they are making a general statement, so apart from a few outliers it really should be everyone. Just curious what ‘margin of error’ they think their statement has / what they think the playerbase looks like. For a generic statement like that I’d expect something like 95%

so what percentage do you mean when writing something like ‘the players don’t care about the setting’?

ha, you wish ;) it was, but then you lost it with your insistence on a tortle... what you hopefully gained is something that is tortle-adjacent enough for you to be ok with it can't speak for anyone else but yeah, why not play a UA class or 3pp one. If something turns out to be broken, we...

not really, these were suggestions for how they could play a tortle. Given that playing a tortle was the initial idea, nothing was being compromised

that was tried a few times and the answer was ‘to play a tortle’, at which point there is no compromise possible and the player is out. It probably didn’t help that no one insisting on playing a tortle did so because they actually wanted to play one but only did so for the sake of the argument

of course they are, but that is true for both sides and if there is no common ground, then the player is not in the DM's campaign

show me your tortle here..., also, about 25% is very much an easy fraction