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As critical as I am of D&D 5e, this doesn't tell us anything. Any time there's a big change, there will always be a huge spike and then a falloff. That's just how things work. Notice, for example, that the recent low point is still ~1800, while the (presumptively) non-spike high point at the...

I have, perhaps, a slightly-more-useful demonstration case for a "Fail Forward" situation. The party is chasing someone, say an assassin. They know this is their target, but the target is very fast and might get away. So, they try various things to get to the assassin. They roll very poorly...

I would take this more seriously if the rest of the context did not imply otherwise. Such as the word "exclusively", or the fact that TwoSix had specifically said, "It's hard to create an interesting story around a character who always makes the most rational, pragmatic decision possible." That...

I'm not the one who demanded perfection! They specifically used that word, perfect. I did not introduce that. They did.

"Things shouldn't hit a dead end" is a motive for FF. It is not what FF is. "Children should know how to read" is a motive for public schooling; it is not what public schooling is. A given attempt at/implementation of public schooling may or may not fulfill any given motive; any given motive may...

It is, though. Once you have a values-system and input information, nothing but perfect rationality within those bounds is acceptable. Period. That's...literally the message being made. No one can do as I did when I was like thirteen and did a foolish thing that could have hurt my sibling...

It's a bit shy of 590k words in English translations (it varies but we'll shoot for a higher value to be sure). If an average page has at least a thousand words, we've already exceeded it. Of course, some pages are very short in this thread, but some are not. Any page where I have more than one...

Okay. But if it is a classic realism argument... And numerous people in this thread are making realism arguments (often substituting other words which are, themselves, an attempt to avoid saying "realism" while still really just being realism in a trenchcoat) about their characters... Where...

No, I am not. Bolded for emphasis: This was in response to someone else saying: IOW, Enrahim was saying "characters need to always make the most rational, pragmatic decision possible", because anything else is bad. Hence, characters need to be played such that they always make the most...

The core problem is that a LOT of people hate PrCs. Like their hatred is genuinely comparable to AM's hatred in I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream. Even something that smells just a little too much like them will raise hackles. Anything that actually is in the same mechanical space, especially...

But no one is talking about that. Genuinely. Not one person talking about these rules has even suggested that. What makes you think anyone has?

Again you are dodging the core of the question. It is not whether they try to find SOME answer which seems ADEQUATELY reasonable and logical. The standard was that they must try to find THE MOST logical, pragmatic answer possible. We aren't talking about just finding a local high point. We're...

And you don't think that, possibly, the reason could be that a player chose to create a character struggling with their beliefs, values, or commitments? Perhaps because they were playing a game which prompted them to choose one or more beliefs, values, or commitments, and then put that...

So you play characters that are perfect logic-engine characters that--as noted--always make the most logical and pragmatic decision possible?

The problem is, you're conflating something completely unrelated, and usually really, really crappy, with the thing that was being described originally. "Creating drama" almost always means "doing a jerk thing to the other characters" or "doing a jerk thing to NPCs which will have almost...

And yet I am of 100% precisely the opposite mind, and don't understand where you're coming from with this notion. People don't act like perfect logic-engines that dispassionately analyze things and then pursue the calculated most logical course. Yes, people do try to act rationally, but "trying...

Really? Because you were talking about things needing to be connected just a week-ish ago.

To me that just sounds like expanding the definition of "sim" until it includes everything. Because now it includes things that absolutely hate all abstraction and would prefer to delete it if there were any way to do so without crippling the game, and things that are purely ABOUT abstraction...

I do, because what you've said there, vs what you said in the post I just quoted, don't match. You can't have your cake and eat it too. You can't set down a standard which says "no PC control", and then also say "well some PC control". If it's the latter--which is what you're saying here--then...

But by definition, simply by having any backstory at all, the player does this. Immersion damaged from the outset. Note this is not a "perfect sim is impossible therefore don't even try". It is that the standard you have set here is that the PCs cannot, ever, for any reason, have any control...