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Agreed, which is why I also posted that that's not the best term presently either (although cops and robbers both can be any gender).

So you agree our opinions are on equal footing then?

I mean, I don't necessarily believe that the narrativist position believes this, but the implication really seems to come through in the language, and I think it's not hard to get that impression. Perhaps the fact that trad games came first (in general anyway) makes it seem like it was something...

To be fair, I do have a tendency to get defensive. Maybe you're right.

Not quite the same as what? I liked the careers in 1e and 2e.

Too bad. The career paths were what made role-playing in the Warhammer universe unique IMO.

That's the way I always played it. I had two 1e PCs turn into Chaos Spawn.

I have virtually the entire 1e and 2e lines already, and since the lore is far more important to me than the details of the system (1e and 2e played just fine to me), I see no reason to go beyond that. 3e especially had a ton of money-wasting bling from my point of view.

My kids (a son and a daughter) did both, but that doesn't mean the current terms don't have a potentially inflammatory meaning. Why do that when you don't have to? And I never said "cops and robbers" shouldn't be replaced, just that princess play probably isn't the least inflammatory substitute.

You may have something there (none of us are perfect), but the books used to refer to "cops & robbers" for stuff like that. Referring to it as "princess play" or "dollhouse" seems an unnecessary and, yes, clearly gender-tagged change. Why make a point out of using it? I'm sure there are other...

I was always fond of the Dustmen, but the closest to my personality is probably the Fraternity of Order.

Casual =/= not serious.

Does that make the terms used not derogatory?

Like I said, it's not about agreement, it's about tone. I just really prefer a more casual examination.

I'm not talking about qualifications, or even whether or not I like their opinions. I'm talking about tone. Everything in your designer quotes reads as superior and condescending to me, like it's obvious that what they think is the only right way to think about it. To a degree, a lot of...

IMO, most of the quotes from @pemerton 's preferred game designers read as quite arrogant to me, with an "ivory tower academia" vibe. I didn't ask Max because I don't need to. Again, anything to back your accusation?

Every one of those things you mention is handled (to some degree) mechanically in the games I prefer. Some of it is through the base system (for example Level Up covers a lot of this), while other parts are houserules I have compiled or created. I don't play official WotC 5e, if that's the...

Can you provide an example of your accusation?

Agreed. I don't really care for the academic arrogance I read in many of these quoted passages.

I've never called you a "hater" of anything. And games simulate different things. What "more sim" gaming than me are you doing exactly? Be specific. And what you just said to me is functionally identical to calling me a hypocrite, IMO.