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Who needs spells to predict the future? Not us! :p https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/scientists-tried-see-gut-feelings-141000596.html

Yep. Like the Norse gods and the Norns.

If she's just repeating what a goddess told her to say, and then the god arranges things, that's not a prophecy any more than if I told you something was going to happen and then I went out and arranged it. The goddess didn't use her powers to alter fate or look into the future and repeat what...

There's no prophecy there. The oracle isn't prophesizing the sacrifice, she's tricking the parents into doing what Aphrodite wants to happen. So yeah, I guess she altered the future in the same way I can if I trick someone into doing something. :P That's the thing with prophecy. The prophets...

That's a bit off. First, it was first and second levels could be achieved purely by faith and dedication to his god. Third to fifth level were administered by servants of the god. Sixth and seventh level were granted by direct communication with the god. There were no 8th and 9th level...

That's true. I am approaching this from the core D&D assumption that the gods embody their portfolios and aren't just super humans who claim to.

Where did anyone say incapable?

No. At least not over here. Others may be doing that.

Nope. Those were some examples of frivolous use, not progressively worse things happening because the first thing was allowed. You are misstating my argument. There is no Slippery Slope unless you deliberately warp my argument and then attribute your alteration to me, in which case you are...

It's available for important things. Teachings. The religion itself would teach that miracles such as that aren't for things like asking if you left your cheese sandwich at home. It could also be the god himself, though I think it would happen with religious teachings, but the god could...

No. There's no slippery slope there at all. Frivolous vs. Non-frivolous isn't something getting worse and worse and worse down the slope.

Veiled? :unsure: That's a pretty thin veil, buddy!

It is. Not specifically the deck of many things, but if a god doesn't shut down frivolous uses of commune, he's going to simultaneously get 3 guys asking over and over about decks of many things, 4365 clerics asking if they should go on a date with this person or that other one, 15352 if they...

Sure. That's why it wouldn't be right to tell @pemerton he's wrong about what he did. He's the only one of us who was there. He knows the little cues and actions that clued him and the rest of the group into what the DM was doing. He knows the bigger things that were done. Add to that the...

Deities embody specific aspects of the world. They are not human and shouldn't be ascribed human behaviors. The god of agriculture isn't just focused on farming. He IS farming. He will be watching over every farm in the world for potentially tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands or...

Maybe some did, but most of us did not. They are also told that they are right, and by more than tell them that they are wrong. Don't lump us all into one negative bunch please. It's a mistake, and annoying to those of us who didn't do it. Neither are most of us over here on this side saying...

As was said by me, those deities are spread out by the millions of threads simultaneously across a huge number of settings. A bunch of clerics will be communing with him at any given time. Some shlub bothering him over and over and over in order to get a good draw from a deck of cards isn't...

An evil person can also do good just because it's good. To be evil you don't have to be 100% evil. Someone who is 70% evil is 30% neutral and good, which is how you get those evil folks in the world that wouldn't harm children and instead risk their lives to protect them, and other good acts...

I bet if they were communing to find their lost keys and misplaced silver piece he would be.

Yeah. I don't think a lot of people realize that the D&D multiverse contains every official setting ever made and ever will be made, as well as every homebrew setting ever made or will be made. People love to reuse gods, so the gods that have appeared in official supplements have made...