D&D (2024) WotC Fireside Chat: Revised 2024 Player’s Handbook

It sounds very much like more of the same. Which while not a surprise is definitely a pity.

TwoSix said:

The inclusion of two psionic subclasses I already own being mentioned as a selling point perfectly encapsulates why I'm so disillusioned with this project.

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Sounded like all of the classes might get upgrades here and there. And that Xanthar and Tasha might be pillaged as needed :-/ Which I'm guessing means they'll have a supplement to the 2024 PHB that picks off much of the rest of them.

Reynard said:

It sounds very much like more of the same. Which while not a surprise is definitely a pity.

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I mean... did anyone actually expect much different? Adding some more species to the PHB anyway.

Stalker0 said:

Well the need 5.5 is going to provide CORE classes, so I wouldn't expect any new ones there. Subclasses are likely the best you can hope for initially, and then maybe in the next splat you might get a psionic caster.

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So... are you opposed to the Sorcerer (Aberrant Mind) and Warlock (GOO) being primary representatives of psionic casters? How important is it that the "Psion" needs a completely different core class spellcasting mechanic? Are the themes not generic enough?

Do people still think that Psionic powers should be based on Intelligence? I don't think so. It makes sense to me that a "psionic" caster is Charisma-based, which is force of will and influence over self and the world, rather than Intelligence-based, which primarily represents memory and reason.

Cadence said:

I mean... did anyone actually expect much different?

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Yes! My entire beef with this whole concept is that they could have added a ton of new material, and yet chose not to.

TwoSix said:

The inclusion of two psionic subclasses I already own being mentioned as a selling point perfectly encapsulates why I'm so disillusioned with this project.

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If you watch the video instead of relying on a blindly transcribed and misspelled AI summery, they talk about how all the Tasha's Cauldron subclasses are getting updates and alternations. Even the ones that weren't reproduced in the UA phase.

So no, nothing is a direct reprint. Which for the people who've already decided they hate the book is not enough, I know. But please don't quote AI bullet points as if they're an accurate description of what's happening.

TwoSix said:

Yes! My entire beef with this whole concept is that they could have added a ton of new material, and yet chose not to.

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It's a Core Book refresh, not a new game. I like the idea of a refresh to set new parameters and expectations, and will still look forward to the next Players' option book that could build on that (like adding the other 4 Wizard school subclasses and other Cleric domains), and add new concepts that are more fringe and exploratory.

Kurotowa said:

If you watch the video instead of relying on a blindly transcribed and misspelled AI summery, they talk about how all the Tasha's Cauldron subclasses are getting updates and alternations. Even the ones that weren't reproduced in the UA phase.

So no, nothing is a direct reprint. Which for the people who've already decided they hate the book is not enough, I know. But please don't quote AI bullet points as if they're an accurate description of what's happening.

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Edit: This will be my last post on this thread. I have no desire to be a downer to others who are actually excited.
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I don't watch videos as a matter of course. For information, I like text.

Unless they're doing a radical transformation of the mechanics, it's still the same general subclass I had before.

I'm not complaining because I have the mistaken belief that they are doing direct reprints because I was expecting updates. I acknowledge they are making updates to the reprinted material. I didn't want updates to stuff I already had. I wanted novelty.

TwoSix said:

I don't watch videos as a matter of course. For information, I like text.

Unless they're doing a radical transformation of the mechanics, it's still the same general subclass I had before.

I'm not complaining because I have the mistaken belief that they are doing direct reprints because I was expecting updates. I acknowledge they are making updates to the reprinted material. I didn't want updates to stuff I already had. I wanted novelty.

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We're getting some novelty to fill in some gaps, but do you think replacing all of the old core content with completely new novelty content would have been the right move for the Core PHB? I also want novelty, but I don't expect too much of that for the Core PHB. I can wait for the next players' option books.

TrippyHippy said:

Could somebody tally a list of which Classes/Sub-Classes will be included in this book? I mean, it is pretty much central to the sales-pitch I’d have thought.

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We don’t know the final count yet, but the ones that were in the Unearthed Arcana playtests were:

Barbarian:
• Berserker
• Wild Heart (formerly called Totem Warrior)
• World Tree (new, does teleportation and plant growth stuff)
• Zealot

Bard:
• Dance (new, focused on unarmed fighting)
• Lore
• Valor
• Glamor

Cleric:
• Life
• Light
• Trickery
• War

Druid:
• Land
• Moon
• Sea (new, focused on aquatic themed stuff)
• Stars

Fighter:
• Battlemaster
• Brawler (was new, focused on unarmed fighting, confirmed to have been cut)
• Champion
• Eldritch Knight
• Psi Warrior (confirmed in the video being discussed)

Monk:
• Elements
• Hand (formerly called Open Hand)
• Mercy
• Shadow

Paladin:
• Ancients
• Devotion
• Glory
• Vengeance

Ranger:
• Beastmaster
• Fey Wanderer
• Gloomstalker
• Hunter

Rogue:
• Arcane Trickster
• Assassin
• Swashbuckler
• Thief
• Psi Knife (confirmed in the linked video; speculated one of the others might be cut to make room for it, since we previously thought each class would be getting 4 subclasses and this would add up to 5)

Sorcerer:
• Aberrant Mind
• Clockwork Soul
• Draconic Ancestry
• Wild Magic

Warlock:
• Archfiend
• Celestial
• Fey
• Great Old One

Wizard
• Abjurer
• Diviner
• Evoker
• Illusionist
• At one point, Jeremy Crawford “confirmed” Necromancer but later walked it back. Speculated Necromancer might show up in the DMG like how the Death Cleric and Oathbreaker Paladin did in the 2014 DMG.

sevenbastard said:

Why not both? Heck make one that can apply to bard, paladin, fighter, rogue. It would be fun to see subclasses that apply across multiple classes. But probably not a very realistic wish.

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I'm not a fan of that personally, as I prefer subclasses to directly work with the main classes features. Like barbarian features doing things on rage, or druid having alternate ways to use wildshape.